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thought I would continue this here instead of the other thread

When I went in the Ecotec training day a few years ago I was told to open the heat exchanger up every 5 years unless FGA reading say otherwise

Every time you open the heat exchanger you should replace the seal

Am I wrong? Or has it changed?
 
Correct...although the graphite seals don't tend to wear much I still replace every other service for the sake of £13. I will clean hex every 2 years.
 
Bloke on vaillant course said to renew every year but when I went on a fault finding course a different tutor said every it's unnecessary.
 
Every time not worth the risk
 
Nope. I said that I change it. I said that the instructions don’t specify that you have to.

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View attachment 37958 thought I would continue this here instead of the other thread

When I went in the Ecotec training day a few years ago I was told to open the heat exchanger up every 5 years unless FGA reading say otherwise

Every time you open the heat exchanger you should replace the seal

Am I wrong? Or has it changed?
That is the damn reason why the boilers don’t last long. When I service a boiler I strip it down, clean burner, flush main heat exchanger, siphon, ****, replacing seals, electrodes ... that’s what the customer is paying for. There is no other service than that. Majority of engineers don’t service boilers properly and that’s so wrong.
 
That is the damn reason why the boilers don’t last long. When I service a boiler I strip it down, clean burner, flush main heat exchanger, siphon, ****, replacing seals, electrodes . that’s what the customer is paying for. There is no other service than that. Majority of engineers don’t service boilers properly and that’s so wrong.
Do you powerflush the heating system every year :p
 
Problem is Ron most customers aren’t interested in paying proper service prices
 
Problem is Ron most customers aren’t interested in paying proper service prices
Also it’s not going to prolong the life of the boiler as long as it IS done at regular intervals.

You wouldn’t change the cam belt on your car every year.
 
Problem is Ron most customers aren’t interested in paying proper service prices
True, and you know why? Because there are hardly any engineers who do a proper service. They fool customers but charging the big coin. I haven’t got an issue as I make them aware of what I am doing and what the cost will be.
 
Also it’s not going to prolong the life of the boiler as long as it IS done at regular intervals.

You wouldn’t change the cam belt on your car every year.
Unfortunately I have to disagree. The life of the boiler will be extended by doing annual proper services. Majority of boilers just last between 10-15 years a boiler should last about 25 years.
But again, everyone has a different opinion as well as different ways of services. I stick to the way which I’ve done for the last 14 years.
 
Unfortunately I have to disagree. The life of the boiler will be extended by doing annual proper services. Majority of boilers just last between 10-15 years a boiler should last about 25 years.
But again, everyone has a different opinion as well as different ways of services. I stick to the way which I’ve done for the last 14 years.
How can you service boilers for 14 years when you have only been qualified for 1 in the uk?
 
I would say most boilers fail and are replaced due to water quality, electrical gremlins and cost of parts making repair not economical. Cheap Ali heat exchangers fail but not many SS heat exchangers
 
True, and you know why? Because there are hardly any engineers who do a proper service. They fool customers but charging the big coin. I haven’t got an issue as I make them aware of what I am doing and what the cost will be.
You need to wind it in a little Ron as I’m sure most engineers on here would be offended by your implication that they aren’t doing a proper service. Some homeowners simply will not pay for a new seal and electrodes at every service. With some of them it’s hard enough getting them to top up inhibitor. I believe the old saying is you can’t get blood out of a stone.
 
That is the damn reason why the boilers don’t last long. When I service a boiler I strip it down, clean burner, flush main heat exchanger, siphon, ****, replacing seals, electrodes . that’s what the customer is paying for. There is no other service than that. Majority of engineers don’t service boilers properly and that’s so wrong.

What a load of shat!!!!

Where does it say in the Vaillant manual to flush main heat exchanger, replace electrodes or any seal. Electrodes last quite a while and don’t need doing on a yearly basis, renew if necessary..... usually warped. So if you do this on every service, you’re effectively charging customers for work that doesn’t need doing.... lining your pockets in a long drawn out service and making money on the parts you sell.

Matchless, you haven’t been doing this job long and probably spending to much time trying to show off in front of the customer... that you’re a gas engineer and you know what you’re doing. If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn’t do the this pathetic boiler strip down service.

Rant over...
 
. Majority of boilers just last between 10-15 years a boiler should last about 25 years.

Sorry, I just couldn’t help myself at this bit...

‘a boiler should last about 25 years’

Get yourself on a plane back to motherland and hop on the bus to ‘Vaillant HQ’ and ask them to stop using plastic parts that fail from fatigue’

Boilers nowadays are deemed a ‘white good’, they’re not built to last.
 
Changing electrodes every year is definitely not necessary...they will easy last 5 years give or take. As for seals. If the customer won't change the seal I simply wouldn't service the boiler. Because you ain't servicing...just saftey checking it.
 
You need to wind it in a little Ron as I’m sure most engineers on here would be offended by your implication that they aren’t doing a proper service. Some homeowners simply will not pay for a new seal and electrodes at every service. With some of them it’s hard enough getting them to top up inhibitor. I believe the old saying is you can’t get blood out of a stone.
I apologise if I came across rude or offended anyone on here didn’t mean to. I just meant the boilers I come across and the engineers around my area seem to luck of doing a good service but charging the big coin. I think there should be a good balance between the service and the charge. You cannot just go to a customer and spend 30min perhaps 40min for a service and charge £150-200 seems a little unfair. But I understand where you all are coming from. I also know everyone of us does a different type of service and again I do not mean anyone of you guys that you don’t do a good service.
 
What a load of shat!!!!

Where does it say in the Vaillant manual to flush main heat exchanger, replace electrodes or any seal. Electrodes last quite a while and don’t need doing on a yearly basis, renew if necessary... usually warped. So if you do this on every service, you’re effectively charging customers for work that doesn’t need doing.. lining your pockets in a long drawn out service and making money on the parts you sell.

Matchless, you haven’t been doing this job long and probably spending to much time trying to show off in front of the customer... that you’re a gas engineer and you know what you’re doing. If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn’t do the this pathetic boiler strip down service.

Rant over...

I will keep doing what I do thanks mate all the best

Sorry, I just couldn’t help myself at this bit...

‘a boiler should last about 25 years’

Get yourself on a plane back to motherland and hop on the bus to ‘Vaillant HQ’ and ask them to stop using plastic parts that fail from fatigue’

Boilers nowadays are deemed a ‘white good’, they’re not built to last.
You are a quite rude human being I can tell you that. Furthermore the silly poor ecotec pro, or fit are all made in you motherland :) such a poor quality of boilers we don’t produce mate.

But thanks for your input.

I’m out!!!
 
You need to wind it in a little Ron as I’m sure most engineers on here would be offended by your implication that they aren’t doing a proper service. Some homeowners simply will not pay for a new seal and electrodes at every service. With some of them it’s hard enough getting them to top up inhibitor. I believe the old saying is you can’t get blood out of a stone.
I guess you should tell the other bloke to wind it as it seems a little rude though!
 
You are a quite rude human being

:p.....really?

You make a broad statement saying the majority of gas engineers don’t service properly... such a self righteous comment.

And you’re always banging on about how you do such a superior service, stripping boiler to nothing but a casing, probably completely disregarding the manufacturers instructions and costing the customer unnecessary elevated bills to just satisfy your need to feel all important and qualified. It’s got absolutely nothing to do with doing a good service, you treat a service as a cash cow and I can quite believe you charge £200 or more for a couple of hours of your time.

And on a final note, you can collect all the ecotec pro and plus and anything other shat that Vaillant make and stick em on a big train, back over to your motherland.
 
Ron can you not see why people have reacted to what you said?? Perhaps a little rude but so is telling competent engineers that they aren’t servicing correctly just because they don’t do it like you.
And to be fair there is some truth in the whole not servicing in line with MIs electrodes do not need to be done annually
This is not going to become a bickering session so I suggest the toys go back In the pram on all sides
 
:p...really?

You make a broad statement saying the majority of gas engineers don’t service properly... such a self righteous comment.

And you’re always banging on about how you do such a superior service, stripping boiler to nothing but a casing, probably completely disregarding the manufacturers instructions and costing the customer unnecessary elevated bills to just satisfy your need to feel all important and qualified. It’s got absolutely nothing to do with doing a good service, you treat a service as a cash cow and I can quite believe you charge £200 or more for a couple of hours of your time.

And on a final note, you can collect all the ecotec pro and plus and anything other shat that Vaillant make and stick em on a big train, back over to your motherland.
Haha, you are one of those people who voted brexit, you are just a simple racist ...!!! Do t need to comment more ...
 
Ron can you not see why people have reacted to what you said?? Perhaps a little rude but so is telling competent engineers that they aren’t servicing correctly just because they don’t do it like you.
And to be fair there is some truth in the whole not servicing in line with MIs electrodes do not need to be done annually
This is not going to become a bickering session so I suggest the toys go back In the pram on all sides
Whatever they are saying I don’t give a damn ... I know what has to be done and how to do my job. I never judged about the people on here and that’s a fact. If they get touched by it, than there must be some sort of truth in it. I also never said you have to service a boiler like I do.
 
Haha, you are one of those people who voted brexit, you are just a simple racist .!!! Do t need to comment more .

how does that have anything to do with anything thats been said :rolleyes:

also heed your own advice then and end the convo here
 
Vaillant Premium Service
The premium maintenance is a comprehensive cleaning and verification of your gas boiler
Removal and cleaning of the burner
Removal and cleaning of the heat exchanger
including fins
Flush main heat exchanger after cleaning
Thorough cleaning of the boiler interior
Checking the settings
Optimization of the settings
Checking the expansion vessel
Cleaning the siphon
Replacement of worn parts, such as ignition electrodes, seals or damaged parts

That’s just a copy of german Vaillant website.
 

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