Landlord safety tickets

[SWG Solutions]

Hi, I’m newly qualified and just need to clear things up. I shadow a few gas engineers still as I want to be 100% certain on what I am doing. I was at a landlord safety check yesterday and he was unable to do the operating pressure as it was a zero governor gas valve. So we done a gas rate instead, but my question is; can you always just do a Gas rate instead of operating pressure? Or should you preferably do the operating pressure when you can?
I’m not sure whether working with 3/4 different engineers is making it more confusing for me as they have so many different theories!
Thanks in advance.

 

[Scott_D]

What boiler?

 

[SWG Solutions]

Heatline capriz 24c

He said most new condensing boilers have these gas valves now

 

[Scott_D]

You can still check the inlet pressure to see if the gas supply is correct or undersized

 

[Harvest Fields]

You are getting confused mate. Your gas rate dependant on size of boiler will come out at around 3.0kw but everyone calls the output rating a gas rate?

 

[SWG Solutions]

You can still check the inlet pressure to see if the gas supply is correct or undersized

We checked the inlet pressure and there was no drop from the meter which means it was all good in that sense. Just a bit confused on the bit that you fill out on the actual certificate.

 

[Scott_D]

No drop between the boiler and meter?
Seems unlikely unless it was very close?

 

[SWG Solutions]

You are getting confused mate. Your gas rate dependant on size of boiler will come out at around 3.0kw but everyone calls the output rating a gas rate?

So where it says operating pressure or heat output what can you do there? On that specific boiler I mentioned? We left it by doing just your normal gas rate as in time taken to do one revolution with the appliance on full rate.

 

[SWG Solutions]

No drop between the boiler and meter?
Seems unlikely unless it was very close?

Was literally a maximum of 1m away. Meter was in cupboard on one side of the kitchen and boiler was on other wall.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

You can do either

But as above you still can do an inlet test unless he's tried to do one on p2 and thought wtf as he would get a minus reading

 

[SWG Solutions]

You can do either

But as above you still can do an inlet test unless he's tried to do one on p2 and thought wtf as he would get a minus reading

Great, so if I always do a Gas rate that is ok?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Great, so if I always do a Gas rate that is ok?

Either or is fine on a llgsc

 

[dan_the_plumber]

You are getting confused mate. Your gas rate dependant on size of boiler will come out at around 3.0kw but everyone calls the output rating a gas rate?

That should be approximately 3 M3/hour, NOT KW

 

[dan_the_plumber]

Premix fan boilers (all modern condensing boilers) you can not take a ‘Burner Pressure’.
However you can take a ‘working inlet pressure’. This should be done with all other appliances burning on full. This test tells us if the gas pipes are sized correctly and if the regulator on meter is opporating correctly.
You can Gas Rate Any gas appliance and this makes our lives easier because it means you don’t need to take cover off the boiler!
However I do recommend that you do take cover off and visually inspect boiler inside. This is because if you sign a boiler off that is defective inside then it’s your head on the block

 

[Harvest Fields]

That should be approximately 3 M3/hour, NOT KW

Sorry my bad. That’s what I meant. But couldn’t see past the fact he was calling it a gas rate.

 

[SWG Solutions]

Premix fan boilers (all modern condensing boilers) you can not take a ‘Burner Pressure’.
However you can take a ‘working inlet pressure’. This should be done with all other appliances burning on full. This test tells us if the gas pipes are sized correctly and if the regulator on meter is opporating correctly.
You can Gas Rate Any gas appliance and this makes our lives easier because it means you don’t need to take cover off the boiler!
However I do recommend that you do take cover off and visually inspect boiler inside. This is because if you sign a boiler off that is defective inside then it’s your head on the block

Thanks for your reply, everything has been taken on board. I appreciate your guidance, cheers!

 

[SWG Solutions]

Sorry my bad. That’s what I meant. But couldn’t see past the fact he was calling it a gas rate.

Lol but on the certificate it asks for it in kw?

 

[Harvest Fields]

A gas rate is in KW And so is the output rating

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Times the m3/h by 10.65 to give the kw

 

[sammathias]

or just get a gas rate app on your phone. cant remember last time I used pen and paper.

 

[SWG Solutions]

or just get a gas rate app on your phone. cant remember last time I used pen and paper.

Lol yeah I use the gas rate app on my phone. Still handy to know the calculation for acs n all that.

 

[firemant]

I stopped using the phone app.
Measure the 2 minute flow and multiply by 322.8.

 

[Darren Jackson]

I stopped using the phone app.
Measure the 2 minute flow and multiply by 322.8.

Not on an imperial meter.