Bogus Heating Installer Sentanced

[Rob Foster]

A man from Crewekerne who installed solid fuel and woodburning stoves and falsely claimed hevwas registered and showed bogus certificates has been given a 4 month prison sentance suspended for 2 years posted bbc 16 Feb 2019 centralheatking

 

[Riley]

Dangerous installs or just claiming to be qualified???

 

[Harvest Fields]

Bogus heating installer sentenced

 

[Riley]

Thanks mate

 

[Jim09876]

There’s a important line to be drawn between dangerous installs and unregistered installs. Some good unregistered guys out there and some Rubbish “Gas Safe Installers” also.

Why does the Gase Safe send it’s propaganda into the installer magazine? We’re in the club already....I’m sold! please focus on the unsuspecting members of public.

 

[Riley]

Agree with the second paragraph.

I don’t agree that there are any “good” unregistered guys out there as what they are doing is illegal

 

[Harvest Fields]

Agree with the second paragraph.

I don’t agree that there are any “good” unregistered guys out there as what they are doing is illegal

And if they are good they should be registered.

 

[rpm]

Agree with the second paragraph.

I don’t agree that there are any “good” unregistered guys out there as what they are doing is illegal

And if they are good they should be registered.

Reckon Jim was talking about the workmanship not the morals.

 

[Riley]

No I know I was just clarifying the difference

 

[oz-plumber]

Who would get the harsher sentence?

Registered installer or unregistered installer?

 

[hammers4spanner]

Agree with the second paragraph.

I don’t agree that there are any “good” unregistered guys out there as what they are doing is illegal

Yes and no here

I know some trades that illegally install yet do a better job than most legal installers

 

[Riley]

Yes and no here

I know some trades that illegally install yet do a better job than most legal installers

That’s as maybe but it’s still illegal

 

[Rob Foster]

nobody says an unlicenced driver is better than a licenced one, the ramifications to a home owner eg insurance are
serious, and unregistered fitters will be cheaper thus stealing from approved engineers
Rob Foster aka centralheatking

 

[rpm]

That’s as maybe but it’s still illegal

Keep banging that drum and one day you're going to get a tune.

 

[Ben-gee]

So the above board "electrician" (trained to install smart meters) that caused an acquaintance of mine's house to burn down is "better" the a skilled but unregistered tradesman.
Oh it's fine because he is "legal" so the insurance should pay out ....eventually....after massive and completely avoidable upset, loss of irreplaceable photos/kids drawings/childhood teddy etc etc.
If registration is really to help people get better jobs done, it needs to be overhauled from the thinly veiled money making exercise that it is.
(stand back and watch fuse)

 

[Riley]

It’s somantics whether their work is quality or not it’s illegal. Obviously the system needs to change

 

[hammers4spanner]

The system is pants simple as that

 

[rpm]

It’s somantics whether their work is quality or not it’s illegal. Obviously the system needs to change

Err, semantics ?

 

[Riley]

Err, semantics ?

Chairman of the pedantic society

 

[Riley]

The system is pants simple as that

Hello hammers long time no see

 

[Rob Foster]

So the above board "electrician" (trained to install smart meters) that caused an acquaintance of mine's house to burn down is "better" the a skilled but unregistered tradesman.
Oh it's fine because he is "legal" so the insurance should pay out ..eventually....after massive and completely avoidable upset, loss of irreplaceable photos/kids drawings/childhood teddy etc etc.
If registration is really to help people get better jobs done, it needs to be overhauled from the thinly veiled money making exercise that it is.
(stand back and watch fuse)

You are probably correct. I do not associate with sparks they are not our kind in my opinion.
Gas fitting regulations has also
been a dynamic area. When I started
anybody could and did muck about with gas, then corgi no problem , then acops, then acts

 

[Welder]

Chairman of the pedantic society

No that's (notice the apostrophe) me ...

 

[Welder]

The 'system' is fundamentally flawed. What originated as a pure public safety agenda sooned morphed into a money making pi55 take and has finally sunk lower than a snake's belly.

I'll not be drawn into who's the, "Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the thickest of them all, Plumbers, Sparkies etc" debate. Fact is we all come across 'qualified' people who are endowed with amoebic (that of an amoeba) intelligence levels and similarly those without who are as bright as buttons.

I had 11 guys working for me in my electrical contracting business in the early 90s but John Prescott got the law changed I saw it was turning into box ticking sh1te and got out.

What, IMHO, current society is doing is taking away the ability of individuals to make up our own minds. According to life today, because I do not have a piece of paper I am incapable of doing anything safely. No ifs, no buts. And yet some knuckledragger can attend a 9 HOUR course (according to something Reed & Co put out on twitter recently), and be legally QUALIFIED in gas work.

What I believe we should all be doing is revolting against the 'system'. Stop completely doing ANY certs or quals or filling in ANY paperwork or any such thing. Obvs keep extensive notes of what's gone on but stop using this fundamentally flawed system so the shysters that run it starve and as it starts to fall over, one hopes those in power will notice and begin to look at setting it back to as it should be by removing ALL ability to make money from it and make sure it is properly policed.

Vive La Revolution !!!

 

[Harvest Fields]

Legal just means that you can hold someone accountable. Non legal get let off lightly.

 

[Riley]

I don’t think anyone would object to paying if there were some actual backbone to the controlling body but sadly they are utterly toothless. It reeks once again of a government contract put out that the winning bidder has no chance of being able to fulfill. What has fallen badly at the wayside is protecting paying members and their livelihood. There is no point being a member if you are constantly being undercut by some company with no credentials but enough Know how to keep gas sage off their backs. I’m with Dave I think make the penalties much harsher for poor work. Don’t insist on obligatory qualifications when the standard of subsequent work is so variable.