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AJ9

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Hi folks

Currently a Service Engineer looking to move onto Repairs.

I've been looking for a Fault finding course which also does controls & have came across P & J Training in Johnstone, Scotland.
They want £350 for a 2 day course covering Multimeter training, Fault Finding and Testing and then Controls on the 2nd day.
Fault Finding | P&J Training


I've seen other courses for £250 in England and wondered if anyone has used them to help justify paying more... Its a lot to shell out for a 2 Day course but if it's worth it I'll consider it as I want to progress and develop as an engineer.

The other courses I was looking at are:
Able Skills 5 Day Course
Boiler Fault Finding & Heating Controls course

Mr Combi
Fault Finding Course | Mr Combi Training

  • I've been on the Vokera course (not that good)
  • Awaiting course with Glowworm/Valiant
  • Downloaded Boiler Fault finder App
  • Bought the John Reginald Book for Fault Finding

All help/advice would be appreciated
Thanks
Andy
 
Hi Andy,

I don’t know how good they are as I’m a lot further south of Glasgow. Baxi do a multi meter course for £75, not sure how good, but got to be cheaper?:D
 
Hi Andy,

I don’t know how good they are as I’m a lot further south of Glasgow. Baxi do a multi meter course for £75, not sure how good, but got to be cheaper?:D

It's a lot of money mate.
They said it will cover the same as the other courses but I think £250 at the most.
It will supposedly be only 3 in course & cover which is what I want

Boiler Fault Finding:

  • Multimeter training
  • Electrical Safety tests
  • Testing pumps
  • Testing switches
  • Testing fans
  • Fan switches
  • Temperature sensors and stats
  • Diverter Valves
  • Domestic Heat Exchangers
  • Expansion Vessels
Wiring & Heating Controls:

  • 3 Port 2 Port rigs
  • Frost Protection
  • S.I. Programmers
  • Zone Valves
  • Sequence of Wiring
  • Fault Finding
 
BDR Thermea (Baxi) course is brilliant I went on three day one about six years ago and it’s amazing what you learn

I've spoken to Baxi who I'd really prefer to go to for the training. However their 3 Day course won't be available until April which is no use as I want it done by 16th March
 
Difficult mate I know I had to wait a few weeks to get on it but it’s well worth it
 
Hi Andy,
Sounds rather expensive. I don’t know where you’re at with training/experience etc.
I suggest manufacturer’s courses (usually free) and
Honeywell or Danfoss one day control course (£25ish).
 
Hi Andy,
Sounds rather expensive. I don’t know where you’re at with training/experience etc.
I suggest manufacturer’s courses (usually free) and
Honeywell or Danfoss one day control course (£25ish).


I've looked at Honeywell. Again not running them unti May which is pretty rubbish. Looks like I'll have to go with the P&J course and bite the bullet
 
Manufacturer courses are informative but only about their own products and they don’t go into proper fault finding and testing, it’s more problems in the installer level codes and a disconnected wire in a boiler sort of thing. The baxi course is on their boilers yes but it covers proper component testing and explains how each part works and is tested and how to fault find and explaining voltages and resistances. They give cracking handouts and freebies
 
Manufacturer courses are informative but only about their own products and they don’t go into proper fault finding and testing, it’s more problems in the installer level codes and a disconnected wire in a boiler sort of thing. The baxi course is on their boilers yes but it covers proper component testing and explains how each part works and is tested and how to fault find and explaining voltages and resistances. They give cracking handouts and freebies

Yeah I'm really disappointed that Baxi won't be having another course until April which is no good as I'd also need to take another 4 days off work which isn't an option. They really are missing a trick by not having the Fault Finding Course in Scotland
 
Have you tried Cardonald college ?
That price doesn’t seem to bad from the ones I’ve been looking at, the 1 day ones there are generally £200.
I was also looking at electricity for plumbers there which goes into fault finding but that’s £600 for 4 days.
I’m booked on a Vaillant servicing and commissioning day in Glasgow next month which is free and I’m going to go on the fault finding one too, but as mentioned above by Riley I think it only covers their own stuff obviously.
 
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Have you tried Cardonald college ?
That price doesn’t seem to bad from the ones I’ve been looking at, the 1 day ones there are generally £200.
I was also looking at electricity for plumbers there which goes into fault finding but that’s £600 for 4 days.
I’m booked on a Vaillant servicing and commissioning day in Glasgow next month which is free and I’m going to go on the fault finding one too, but as mentioned above by Riley I think it only covers their own stuff obviously.
dont get me wrong you’ll learn good stuff re Vaillant on their course. I’ve done it. They just don’t go into depth
 
Here's the funny thing... At college I was meant to get Electricity For Plumbers (EFP). They gave me certificate that it was c0vered in course but didn't actually do it as they ran out of time. I found that shocking as it's big part of course. Anyway that's why I'm trying to do these Electrical course now.
£600 is a lot btw as it was £450 in SLC.
I'm waiting on Vailiant calling me back as I registered for course next week. I'll probably pay the £350 as it's similar to Mr Combi course.
I also looked at Honeywell course but it's not until May unless you travel & it's not cost efficient
 
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Doesn't have what I'm looking for mate.
I've paid for the Mr Combi app on Fault Finding which is actually pretty informative.
I'm going to do this £350 Training course for Fault Finding/Controls as I won't get on Baxi course. I think I'm also gona do LPG while I'm off as a bonus. Also the Honeywell course isn't till May, but I'll sign up for that too.

Scotland really has No options for Boiler Fault Finding & the BPEC Elec for plumbers only gets done when they have numbers.
The easiest thing going would be for my Employer to provide this training but It's not gona happen. One thing I've learned quickly is some engineers don't want to share Knowledge to help you if you are a Modern Trainee which is fine but this forum I'm sure will help me a lot now
 
Have you been on the baxi 3 day course ?
 
Keep on at them mate. When I did it three blokes pulled out that week we only had four in class
 
Keep on at them mate. When I did it three blokes pulled out that week we only had four in class

I was told Glowworm did a good course too but theirs is also full next week. It's disappointing but I've been using YouTube and study material today. I think I'm also going to look for an Engineer I could work with at the wknd and help with Installs & Breakdowns in Central Scotland. So if any on here that read this, drop me a message
 
Again the glowworm course is good but it doesn’t really teach you much about components and how the actual boilers work
 
Again the glowworm course is good but it doesn’t really teach you much about components and how the actual boilers work
Yeah I know. It was a guy who has a training firm locally who recommended it. I was hoping he could do a fault finding course with me but because of numbers & he is busy training councils he can't do it & isn't able to let me join in.
I bought a Worcester Greenstar to put in my house but I've put it up in the Garage and spent today stripping it down and testing components which was good.
 
That is a lot of the battle being able to test a component to see if it is operating correctly I don’t think any of the big manufacturing courses teach this
 
That is a lot of the battle being able to test a component to see if it is operating correctly I don’t think any of the big manufacturing courses teach this

Yeah. Gona bite the bullet and go do the 2 day course for Fault Finding & Wiring then do the Honey well course which someone suggested which isn't until May.
I'd even move for a new Job if someone was keen to take me on & help train me on Repairs but don't think that's realistic now
 
A lot of diagnosis and repair work comes with experience loads of engineers make reference to manufacturers documents to get resistances and voltages. You categorically will not know it all before you start. A good understanding of components and the working order of the boiler will stand you in very good stead though.
 
I mainly deal with Vaillant EcoTEC Pro’s but sometimes have had to call their technical helpline, which are usually very good. Just be sure to have your multimeter and gas safe number if you do.
 
Any course I have been on from a manufacturer has very little to do with actual fault finding. Just marketing and sales with engineer talking points.
Best way is to get in about it Monday to friday when you can phone tech lines for advice or to confirm what you thought in the first place. After a while you will notice you are problem solving on your own. I remember a boiler that broke me because I was over it and over it for hours doing the same things over and over, but it consolidated my knowledge.
 
Any course I have been on from a manufacturer has very little to do with actual fault finding. Just marketing and sales with engineer talking points.
Best way is to get in about it Monday to friday when you can phone tech lines for advice or to confirm what you thought in the first place. After a while you will notice you are problem solving on your own. I remember a boiler that broke me because I was over it and over it for hours doing the same things over and over, but it consolidated my knowledge.
Thanks Duncan. This is what I'm looking at too. It's exposure to these faults as I don't get too many in Servicing but possibly when I'm healed after my Op I will get my own Gas Card and start doing work on my own too.
 
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