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Discuss WRAS question at UK Plumbers Forums; Hi I'm having a bit of a nightmare with quoting for a job. Customer keeps arguing the toss over a product that they want installing. They would like a douche ...
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    I'm having a bit of a nightmare with quoting for a job.

    Customer keeps arguing the toss over a product that they want installing.

    They would like a douche installed in close proximity to the toilet ie there is a chance that the hose could end up in the pan. The product that they have purchased recommends an anti syphon valve to prevent backflow contamination. I was not sure about this and asked the question on here the other day and was kindly recommended to contact WRAS accordingly.

    I did this and received a very concise response re installing a separate water cistern with the necessary air gaps to ensure that contamination could not occur.

    I totally understand what I was sent and I have done my best to explain this to the customer however they cannot understand why it cannot be just installed as per the MIs. I can see both sides of the problem here but I am not keen to install in line with the MIs as this is a landlord property and don't want the Landlord to have any comeback or any subsequent WRAS follow up.

    Would i I be better off just binning this job?
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    cant you use a double check valve ?????
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    If its a rented property why not just surgest to the landlord to just not install the douche

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaunCorbs View Post
    cant you use a double check valve ?????
    No you can't. I had same problem after getting well into the job wben customer turned up with one.

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    A double check valve is only suitable for category 3 fluids. This install required protection from category 5 fluids, realistically a break tank is the only option.

    I'm sure if you look in the MI's it will have a clause requiring compliance with local regulations. As far as I know water MI's do not super cede water regs unlike gas.

    For me it's a case of doing it to regs or not at all.

    Of course it's much easier not to install in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geyser View Post
    No you can't. I had same problem after getting well into the job wben customer turned up with one.
    just had a quick look on the internet and most say fit like this

    http://www.wet-water.co.uk/images/st...connection.pdf

    and from wras them selves

    9. Bidets

    Generic specification is limited to over rim supply (not ascending spray) bidets only:

    BS EN 35 and BS 5505-3 – Pedestal bidets.
    BS EN 36 and BS 5505-3 – Wall hung bidets.
    See also BS EN 14528 Bidets. Functional requirements and test methods.

    Water supply to bidets is by separate taps or mixer tap (preferably thermostatic), with or without adjustable spray nozzles (described as ‘over rim’ supply). There may also be a diverter to supply a douche spray rising from the bottom of the bowl.

    Water Regulations or Byelaws usually have onerous requirements for the connection of bidets with rising douche or flexible handspray, e.g. a separate break tank. These measures will reduce water pressure, which may be inadequate for the bidet douche spray. Check the details with the manufacturer and/ or the water company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaunCorbs View Post
    cant you use a double check valve ?????
    I did suggest that to lady at WRAS but she said it was insufficient for Cat 5 water
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rckape View Post
    A double check valve is only suitable for category 3 fluids. This install required protection from category 5 fluids, realistically a break tank is the only option.

    I'm sure if you look in the MI's it will have a clause requiring compliance with local regulations. As far as I know water MI's do not super cede water regs unlike gas.

    For me it's a case of doing it to regs or not at all.

    Of course it's much easier not to install in the first place.
    My thoughts exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by plumben View Post
    If its a rented property why not just surgest to the landlord to just not install the douche
    Tenants want it for "religious" purposes
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    Problem solved, No risk here then;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    Tenants want it for "religious" purposes
    That doesn't justify installing one, and the extra expenses for the landlord, the next tenant will want it removing, they can stand in the bath/shower tray and use the shower if they need one that bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by plumben View Post
    That doesn't justify installing one, and the extra expenses for the landlord, the next tenant will want it removing, they can stand in the bath/shower tray and use the shower if they need one that bad
    Oh I know and don't get me wrong I totally agree. The landlord is happy as they're good tenants and are willing to contribute to the cost
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