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Discuss Wet underfloor heating problem at UK Plumbers Forums; Hi Guys, I hope some one can help. We have a simple 2 circuit water UFH upstairs in our flat one circuit for each bedroom. The Master bedroom heats but ...
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    Hi Guys,

    I hope some one can help.

    We have a simple 2 circuit water UFH upstairs in our flat one circuit for each bedroom.

    The Master bedroom heats but the spare is stone cold. The Actuators seem to be operating and the valves opening.

    Below is a picture of the valves. Please ignore the right hand one as that is spare.

    Middle one is to the Master bedroom. Left hand to the spare room that isn't working.

    Only difference I can see is that the left hand one doesn't seem to have the 'float' in the valve.

    Does this indicate what the problem is? Is it and air block?

    If it does and or is, how do I fix it or so I need some help?

    Thanks in advance for any help.

    Regards,

    Kippy


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    Default Re: Wet underfloor heating problem

    Take the actuator head off and make sure the pin rises up, also you can wind the flow restrictor open more with a radiator key, if you only have 2 zones then I would open it all the way up and see if that helps.

    Remember how many turns it took to open and then screw it back to its original position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ch4 plumbing View Post
    Take the actuator head off and make sure the pin rises up, also you can wind the flow restrictor open more with a radiator key, if you only have 2 zones then I would open it all the way up and see if that helps.

    Remember how many turns it took to open and then screw it back to its original position.
    Hi Ch4,

    Thanks for the reply.

    I took the actuator off and the pin was sticking out by about a centimetre, so I assume that is OK.

    Which valve on the manifold is the flow restrictor? Picture below of the manifold.

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    Regards,

    Kippy

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    Try turning the flow off. ( red valve) see if the flow meters pop up. If they don't, they might be stuck.
    To fix , turn both valves off and remove the restrictors. Clean then and refit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalked View Post
    Try turning the flow off. ( red valve) see if the flow meters pop up. If they don't, they might be stuck.
    To fix , turn both valves off and remove the restrictors. Clean then and refit.
    Hi Chalked,

    Both valves popped up but circuit 1 valve still has no water in it.

    Regards,

    Kippy

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    Default Re: Wet underfloor heating problem

    Is the manifold warm? Look like your getting circulation. Also check the water thermostat. Should be about 45 degrees. Try turning it fully clockwise then back to 45. Pipe with red lever should feel warm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalked View Post
    Is the manifold warm? Look like your getting circulation. Also check the water thermostat. Should be about 45 degrees. Try turning it fully clockwise then back to 45. Pipe with red lever should feel warm.
    Hi Chalked,

    Bottom of the manifold is hot, top half cooler.

    Are you suggesting the water thermostat on the boiler?

    Is the red lever you talk about one of the two shown in the picture on the left? If it is, one pipe with the red lever is hot the other one is cold.

    Could it be a thermostat or controller problem?

    Regards,

    Kippy

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    Hi
    The thermostat girl the manifold is the white knob above the pump. On polypipe systems ( yours) they tend to jam. So fully opening and closing, you should be able to feel the water temperature rise or fall. Depending on what number you set it on. If you can't feel any difference, a new cartridge may be needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalked View Post
    Hi
    The thermostat girl the manifold is the white knob above the pump. On polypipe systems ( yours) they tend to jam. So fully opening and closing, you should be able to feel the water temperature rise or fall. Depending on what number you set it on. If you can't feel any difference, a new cartridge may be needed.
    Hi,

    It appears to be working and I can hear it opening and closing.

    If it was jammed wouldn't both circuits not be working? Only circuit 1 is not getting hot.

    Circuit 1 was working so could an air blockage have formed somehow?

    Could there be a fault on the controller that is stopping something from opening (or closing) properly?

    Regards,

    Kippy.

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    Hi Chalked,

    I have had someone in to look at the system and now the working circuit has reversed somehow but the state of the flow valves remains the same.

    They are suggesting it is a an air blockage somewhere and they need to drain the whole system and refill it. Cost £250.

    I'm not convinced this is needed, or if the cost is fair.

    Your thoughts would be appreciated.

    Regards,

    Ken

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    Default Re: Wet underfloor heating problem

    They can't drain the underfloor pipework. It does sound like an air lock.
    They will need to fill the loops properly from a hose connected to the water main. The job sould take an hour or so. Try a local plumbing company, who install underfloor,not a call out guy.

    Or have a go yourself. If you look online there will be a video of how to do it.
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