scrap copper

[plum ber]

By the sound of what is mentioned above this is going to have to be declared! Bummer paying 20% of your perks to the taxman now aswell as everything else they just don't know when to BUTT OUT!!!

 

[mutley racers]

that is a bummer but what I am worried about is them seeing that i don't have a license and fining me

 

[Rickster123]

Get a licence mutley then you can sleep easy in your bed!

 

[mutley racers]

its too late now, the deal has be done!!! And after all the substance abuse i did in my teens i suffer from severe paranoia. So it's going to be sleepless nights for me

 

[michael c]

the licence is about £170 last time i looked anyway which was a few months back.

 

[mutley racers]

its actually £154 for us plus £5 for a card. Which isn't too bad.

 

[erpkid]

that is a bummer but what I am worried about is them seeing that i don't have a license and fining me

I wouldn't sweat it. This is one of those situations where the cost of the control would outweigh the benefits so it will not be in place. Another annoyance has been added to our daily grind but one not worth stressing about IMHO :smile:

 

[mutley racers]

thanks for some reassurance erpkid...it is needed!!!

 

[Mike Jackson]

I wouldn't sweat it. This is one of those situations where the cost of the control would outweigh the benefits so it will not be in place. Another annoyance has been added to our daily grind but one not worth stressing about IMHO :smile:

Unless you happen to be in one of the areas where they are checking. Unlikely to happen after the event but VOSA have been carrying out spot checks across Kent and Sussex and apparently some vehicle were ceased and crushed in Kent.

 

[deandive]

I dont carry scrap in my van only second hand pipework and cylinders ;-)

 

[PlumbBobBob]

I dont carry scrap in my van only second hand pipework and cylinders ;-)

quite right. it's not scrap until it is on the floor of the scrap merchants.

 

[dancinplumba]

quite right. it's not scrap until it is on the floor of the scrap merchants.

can that be used as a legal argument ? interesting

 

[PlumbBobBob]

can that be used as a legal argument ? interesting

i doubt it lol

 

[deandive]

dont see why not, you could tell them.............. all the brass fittings are re-useable???? the cylinder is a pikey entrapment device????

 

[dancinplumba]

you can carry new cooper but not used ?? weird

 

[deandive]

Ive used the not having a waste carriers licence as an excuse to not take rubbish away from a job so I suppose I should really leave the scrap there too...................................unlikely though

 

[PlumbBobBob]

i've got a waste carriers licence except when customers want the rubbish taken away, when i conveniently forget i have one lol

 

[leethegasman]

Once again the beurocrats have shafted us. I guess we should all jack in the plumbing game and join the likes of Starbucks, Amazon and google who get away with paying nothing into our system for years.

I guess the next time I call at my accountants I will have a choice of going through the green or red door. Anything to declare sir? Yes, one copper cylinder and a heat exchanger... :hand:

Next thing will be the scrappie having to deduct VAT from the funds we receive. Rant Over!

The scrap dealer we use does not pay you the vat unless you are VAT registered.
I think you will find they do not give you the VAT and never have even before the new rules.

 

[Guest123]

We don't have that law up here until next year, so you always save it all up and cross the border with your scrap! LOL

 

[deandive]

bit of a trek from cardiff lol

 

[Guest123]

bit of a trek from cardiff lol

Call it a fishing holiday and bring your scoof with you. LOL

 

[PETE 123]

If you paid customer say £1 (on your invoice or job ticket deduct £1) would it be your property and not trade waste ?

 

[Mike Jackson]

There's no get out. It's trade waste. Just bite the bullet and get a waste licence, it's hardly going to break the bank. If you're going to offer a proper service to customers you need to be able to get shot of the rubbish and it's not always economically viable to pay someone else to do it. Fair enough some customers can get shot of it but what if you change a loo for an old dear that can barely walk? You can hardly leave her to get rid.

 

[PETE 123]

But if i have paid for it its my personal property and not waste. Or dont that count?

 

[leethegasman]

But if i have paid for it its my personal property and not waste. Or dont that count?

i am not sure but i was stoped and pulled over and i was asked what i did with my waste and i told them i take my waste company and they told me i need a transfer liceance. now technically i own all the packaging as i only sell to the customer what is inside the box but was told i need a liceance.

 

[deandive]

I propose an ammendment to the GSUIR ; Any work carried out in the home of a police officer or VOSA representative shall be subject to a levy of not less than £1 per m2 or £500 whatever be the maximum to cover the cost of bu*****t

 

[Mike Jackson]

But if i have paid for it its my personal property and not waste. Or dont that count?

Try it if you like as long as we can all come and point and laugh as your van is transformed into a cube of scrap metal in the crusher. The legislation specifically mentions that the producer of the waste must be licenced if they carry it away and regardless of who owns the waste you still produced it.

 

[Keefy]

Guilty until proven innocent, that's what this is. I blame fly tippers, they've tarnished every honest tradesman who owns a van.

 

[Mike Jackson]

The trouble is at has done nothing to stop fly tipping. If anything the higher disposal costs and licensing requirement have increased the amount of fly tipping.

 

[Keefy]

Yeah I suppose you're right, I just felt really angry after catching up on this thread and decided to vent a bit of misguided steam.

How does anyone recoup their £150 or whatever the license is now over the 3 year period of registration or do you just take it on the chin? I'd find it awkward throwing 5 or 10 quid on the customers bill for 'rubbish removal'. If you give them a written estimate or quote it's one more charge they'll see and think you're pulling a fast one.

 

[michael c]

personally npk i would play this by job as some customers will be happy to pay, others may decide to get rid themselves and will probably want to take the scrap too.

 

[Mike Jackson]

I don't mention any charge for rubbish in the estimate, I just add a cost on to pay for the clearance costs. I always state to remove and clear away when pricing and if anyone queries me removing the scrap I tell them that I've taken the scrap value into account and this offsets the cost of rubbish clearance.

The waste licence was paid for by one scrap run.

 

[PETE 123]

I had a quick look at the web site looks like you got till dec 13 to get a licence. Bet it starts at £150 then goes up. From what i can make out every workman needs one so in fact its a tax on working people to be able to go to work.

 

[REDSAW]

just been down to my scrappy, all paid by check or exchange. he dont care if the cheques made to micky mouse.lol

 

[Roger Welton]

My names Cash mr scrap man