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  1. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    I love the smell of Kerosine.
    It is like aftershave on me.
    I can barely detect Kerosine smell unless strong or in a confined space, especially my van if any oil rags are left overnight. Serious in a heated room though
     
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  2. Last Plumber

    Last Plumber Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I tend to burn them in a baking tray outside rather than leave em in the van.
     
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  3. lame plumber

    lame plumber Guest

    basically you will either have an issue on the burner somewhere, a careful check can find one there or your oil line is weeping, that needs a pressure test to prove if it is or isn't. if your lad is knowledgeable, and he has set the burner up right, any issues with flue seals failing or otherwise should have been picked up. Dont go hunting for dancing yellow flames, not all internet advice is that reliable
     
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  4. Matchless.plumb

    Matchless.plumb Trusted Plumber

    I love the smell too though:) since when you are not allowed anymore to solder the pipes for oil? I believe we can still solder in Germany. So you are using instead compression ?
     
  5. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber

    Thought it was flared fittings on oil, could be wrong or is that old hat now.
     
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  6. Matchless.plumb

    Matchless.plumb Trusted Plumber

    The fumes can be dangerous and may signal a crack or misalignment in your oil burner, so I'd suggest checking that too.
    Have you got a oil leak alarm installed?
    What oil tank ypdo you have, is it double wall or single wall ?
    Did you check the vegetation around your tank, can you see any loss or changes?
    Did you check for oily sheen in your basement or waste?

    How does the separator look like, is there a lot of water or condensation it could be a sign of a leak.

    As @Best@Best mentioned check for rust around the pipes as well as the oil pump.

    I'm looking forward to know what it was.

    Kind regards
    Ron
     
  7. Gazzt

    Gazzt Active Member

    Soldered joints are forbidden by oftec because solder joints can fail if fire breaks out, flared joints and compression are approved methods.
     
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  8. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    No soldering allowed as far as I know on oil lines.
    Frankly I think that is a rule too far, because there are some instances where soldering (with lead free solder) would be a good job, - like where you have no choice but to connect to an existing underground copper oil line where an oil tank has to be moved. Regs are for if there was a fire then no soldered fittings to melt, but there is always plenty of other weak spots.
    Leaded solder joints will eventually leak after a lot of years as the kerosine attacks the solder
     
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  9. Matchless.plumb

    Matchless.plumb Trusted Plumber

    But what about gas then ? They would fail too wouldn't they?
     
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  10. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Spot on Ron! But your logic won't be used by the people that make the regs! :) I have always thought that about copper gas pipes
    But we have to respect the rules that would be suitable for a brand new entire job. Obviously an oil pipe should be all in one piece with no joints below ground, and only the minimum above ground at oil tank and firevalve to burner. And therefore no soldered joints should have been allowed. But on existing work on some occasions, I disagree with the regs.
    Too many people however, bend the rules. No need for solder joints on new work anyhow
     
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  11. Matchless.plumb

    Matchless.plumb Trusted Plumber

    How does the fire valve look like have you got a link ? Maybe I know what it is but cannot remember.
    Sure Gary, we can only stick to the rules and personally I would not bend the rules. I would love to work on oil boiler but being in London is a bit tricky to work on them. It's no point for me doing the oftec now, but maybe in the future. I can only agree the pipe should be in piece without having joints under the ground.
     
  12. Matchless.plumb

    Matchless.plumb Trusted Plumber

  13. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    That's a nice looking piece of kit and I am sure it isn't cheap!
    I can't read German and just wondering the details of that.
    It is only domestic oil work mainly for me and I use Coopers type paper element oil filters nowadays normally.
    The firevalves are usually Teddington KBB remote firevalves.
     
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  14. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    (£46 plus deliy)
     
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  15. Matchless.plumb

    Matchless.plumb Trusted Plumber

    They are not expensive, around £47 but these work absolutely great though. You can use the, in both domestic and commercial. It has got an automatic AAV
    Read here the advantages and what's included. I am sure you'll like it. Next time try installing this one. You can get that for single and double line

    AFRISO-EURO-INDEX - Optimised fuel oil de-aerator FloCo-TOP-2
     
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