New Hep20

[rhp]

Does anybody like the new White Hep20 fittings? I have used it only a couple of times and thinks it's a bit of a backwards step. Would love to know what others think.

 

[SimonG]

Haven't used it and probably won't, not a fan of Hep from previous experiences. Some of the other lads don't mind the old grey, but its not their first choice.

Whats the problem with it?

 

[WHPES]

Used to use the original Hepworth plastic (think it was called HPB?) then started on the Hep2o but heard bad reports about the plastic grab rings so switched to Polyplumb and don't have any plans to switch back. The new Hepworth looks a bit like Polyfit.

 

[rhp]

With the old grey Hep20, I liked the fact it was easy to take apart or de-mount, you could check the joint easily and reuse the grab ring.

The new stuff you rely on the castleated liner and the castleated stop inside the fitting to tell you the joint has been pushed home i.e. make the joint, give it a twist and you feel the bumps, in theory. To demount the new stuff they give you a plastic tool which pushes like speedfit to release the grab ring.

All very good standing up with plenty of space (even then not always 'easy'). Absolute pig when in a tight space.

If you see what I mean, hope thats not to garbled

 

[GQuigley67]

its awful, going to try my hardest to stay clear of it its murder in tight spaces

 

[SimonG]

What we need is a plastic pipe system that you can put together and pull apart with one hand................

 

[rhp]

What we need is a plastic pipe system that you can put together and pull apart with one hand................

Osma gold did that, no need to touch it, self demounting

 

[Deleted member 7121]

used to use the old hep2o fittings but the new one,s are aright pain, thinking about changing to speedfit anyone use it and is it any good?

 

[SimonG]

That stuff is awful, looks like I will have a full holiday cottage to repipe. Osma on the mains with copper and then drops in hep. The osma is spliting and the hep is a mouse banquet.

 

[rhp]

Don't mind the speedfit fittings that you can take apart, don't like their pipe though, like fighting with an anaconda.

the hep is a mouse banquet

Havn't come across rodent damage yet.

 

[SimonG]

used to use the old hep2o fittings but the new one,s are aright pain, thinking about changing to speedfit anyone use it and is it any good?

Its my plastic of choice.

 

[SimonG]

Don't mind the speedfit fittings that you can take apart, don't like their pipe though, like fighting with an anaconda.



Havn't come across rodent damage yet.

The place was crawling, three cottages, old converted farm buildings. They had the pest control people out who told them it was bats, if it was bats they had no wings and long tails. Only trouble now is they can't do anything as far as poison goes unless they kill the 'bats'.

 

[GQuigley67]

tell them to invest in a cat lol, mine is quite evil he broke a baby rats back legs the other day and watched it crawling around in agony and didnt even put it out of its misery !!! where as wild cats go straight for the jugular and kill them instantly, domestic cats are little buggers lol

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

if i have to use it i prefer the old grey type more malleable i only use compression fittings and inserts it aint ever coming apart

 

[Jeff Stockdale]

Use copper for crying out loud.plastics for cowboys always was always will be. You cant make a nice job with plastic.and its expensive

 

[SimonG]

Better treat meself to a horse and stetson then

 

[rhp]

Saddle up, got sum longhorn to wrangle

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

Use copper for crying out loud.plastics for cowboys always was always will be. You cant make a nice job with plastic.and its expensive

coming soon how to make friends and influence people a guide by jeff stockdale,yes coppers the preferd choice by most people but plastic has its advantages

 

[GQuigley67]

as long as its not on show then I dont have a problem with plastic but its a big no no if its on show

 

[gaspastemania]

Use uponor if your worried about vermin problems ( albeit bit more expense)
Dont like the new hep tho complete pap , defo prefer the old grey malarky , i prefer copper but plastic is quick and easier and defo better to earn money fastyer.

 

[SimonG]

Use uponor if your worried about vermin problems ( albeit bit more expense)
Dont like the new hep tho complete pap , defo prefer the old grey malarky , i prefer copper but plastic is quick and easier and defo better to earn money fastyer.

Uponor's out the window as far as I'm concerned, too many poor customer service issues with them, in the past and ongoing.

I prefer copper, but I'll use whatever I can to get the job done.

Its amazing though when a customer says they want copper, definitely copper, don't want that plastic crap, I know plastic will work, then you tell them you'll price for both. They see the difference and defide to give the plastic a try

 

[rhp]

Does annoy me a bit when customers call plastic carp when they have no knowledge of it.

 

[CES]

Ive always used the old Hep when using plastic but since they have changed to the new fittings Ive had nothing but bother. Told the local merchant the other day and he said that he's had nothing but complaints about the new stuff. So much so that he's changing over to polypipe. I like using copper if its on show as it looks like the dogs, but when your connecting into an old system under the floor when its tight then you cant beat a bit of plastic in my book.

 

[Spanner2k7]

Use copper for crying out loud.plastics for cowboys always was always will be. You cant make a nice job with plastic.and its expensive

Would love to use copper all the time, but I work alot on new builds and it is all plastic pipe, I have not heard of a site thats uses just copper for the last 5 years.

On the new hep inserts are the hooks there tokeep the insert in the pipe when you remove it from a fitting, as I have had a few where the inserts where they remain in the fittings, so how do you get them out.

 

[unguided1]

I prefer copper, end of
But with customers demands for cheapness plastic is always an option.
I do like Speedfit fittings as you know for definate that they have gone home when pushed on, but as previously stated if you buy the pipe in coils in can be a nightmare, or expensive if bought in lengths.
I cant stand Hep20 fittings as you cant always tell if it has gone home properly especially on the 22mm and 28mm fittings and if in doubt you then have to take the fitting apart to check how far its gone on, but I do like the pipe as it is easier to handle than speedfit.

As most of you know I am installing a lot of heatpumps now and I will not use any plastic to do the connections onto a Heatpump. The reason is the inserts used inside the plastic pipe are too restrictive, so if your using 28mm plastic pipe, by the time you have put the insert in you have reduced the ID to almost 24-25
I have also seen systems installed with microbore on to heatpumps which I feel is rediculous as 10mm plastic microbore has an ID of 6.5mm.