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  1. jase158

    jase158 Guest

    Looking for new head for gas torch, found this one at plumb centre:

    Rothenberger swirl flame burner & jet

    Anybody know what swirl flame is?

    or jet flame?

    I want a smaller flame then the standard so it doesnt burn as much.
     
  2. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Maybe swirl flame is a more controlled, concentrated flame, but I am just guessing. I use the Rothenberger adjustable type, brazing torch that fits straight to the propane bottles, but it's hard on gas.
     
  3. SimonJohns

    SimonJohns Trusted GSR

    The swirl flame. It creates a flow of gas that when the nozzle
    Is placed the correct distance from the pipe will cause the flame to wrap around the pipe

    The jet, refers to the jet on the torch. Or if it was a boiler it would be called an injector

    I personally wouldn't use anything other than a superfire2 and thats what the twist nozzle is for

    But if your going to buy one PTs have the best deal on a superfire2 ATM
     
  4. jase158

    jase158 Guest

    got a super fire atm but not sure on replacement.
     
  5. Billy Bob Bob

    Billy Bob Bob Guest

    it will fit the SF/SF2 small brass one works great its the one i use
     
  6. REDSAW

    REDSAW Guest

    let me get this right!.
    the piper_alpha rig i have at the moment that melts 15mm pipe and sets fire to skirting boards in 10 seconds dead (now confined to the un-used tools list). you can actually buy a replacement nozzle that takes a less aggressive flame?
     
  7. Billy Bob Bob

    Billy Bob Bob Guest

    yep,my super fire 2 was torching stuff as well until i fitted the smaller nozzle
     
  8. jase158

    jase158 Guest

    you mean the swirl?
     
  9. Billy Bob Bob

    Billy Bob Bob Guest

    the sf2 comes with the one on the left of the picture i replaced it with the small brass one on the right
     
  10. REDSAW

    REDSAW Guest

    is it quieter than the standard, as it scares me!.
     
  11. steveafoss

    steveafoss Plumber GSR

    What is the part Number for the nozzle on the right of picture as i have the super fire 2 and also have the (piper alpha rig) nozzle one fitted ok for 22mm or above but not much fun using in an airing cupboard on 15mm
     
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  12. jncalderc

    jncalderc Guest

    u can interchange the heads and they are only about £9.00 each exc vat for the Rothenberger. just use the one u feel most comfortable with.
     
  13. Billy Bob Bob

    Billy Bob Bob Guest

  14. jncalderc

    jncalderc Guest

    Thats it only advice from me on the subject is oil the small allan screws on the torch head often as if they become blocked changing them can be a freakin nightmare.
     
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  15. TBServices

    TBServices Guest

    I must have had 3 or 4 service kits for my superfire 2 and I got them all free from rothenberger reps at my local plumb centre. I use primus/sievert gas instead of the rothenberger stuff, it's cheaper and easier to control the heat I find.
     
  16. Billy Bob Bob

    Billy Bob Bob Guest

    welcome to the forums tb,have you used the all singing and dancing primus head yet? do you know if it fits the orange bottles?
     
  17. mitchellplumber

    mitchellplumber Guest

    Get yourself a heat mat and a super-fire 2. happy days :0)
     
  18. TBServices

    TBServices Guest

    Thanks Gas Man!

    Ive always used a superfire since my apprenticeship days and have never found need to change, since i keep being able to replace the parts for free, so unfortunatley not used the primus head.
     
  19. Mike Jackson

    Mike Jackson Plumber GSR

    I found the primus/sievert gas very dirty. My preference is Mapp gas as I can get the heat I want with a smaller flame and the heat is there if there's water in the pipe.
     
  20. K S Channa

    K S Channa New Member

    I have a super fire 2, and find that it burns the pipe and fitting. Can I change the burner tip for a better soldering flame and do I need to change the jet as well??
     
  21. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    what gas are you using?
     
  22. K S Channa

    K S Channa New Member

    Propane blue cylinder...
     
  23. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    that is strange, do you have it on full on the regulator/ gas tap on the torch
     
  24. K S Channa

    K S Channa New Member

    I adjust the flame accordingly, but not happy with the soldering.
     
  25. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Never come across this before and I use super 2 and map which is hotter, fittings get slightly discoloured but nothing much / a bit of steel wool won't fix
     
  26. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Keep the flame back slightly more from the fittings and don't keep it on the fitting much when it reaches soldering temperature.
    If you were used to soldering with an old type blow lamp, especially if on butane, you maybe are finding the SF2 flame too powerful and concentrated.
    I use propane cylinders with my SF2, same as you, and I think it is more than enough power usually.
    Maybe think of changing the flux you use? I still use traditional grease based flux which is not too corrosive and solder flows well, but have to be careful not to overheat it
     
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