Posting a message to the forum will remove the above advertisement
  1. Hi, welcome to the new look UKPlumbersForums.co.uk - Login with your usual login details, or sign up if you don't already have an account. If you post just once, all the advertisements get automatically removed. We have some competitions coming soon, and lots of new feaures. 

Discuss legionnaires risk assessment in the Water Regulations area at UKPlumbersForums.co.uk.

  1. merv

    merv Plumber GSR

    Hi, I have been approached by a letting agent today that I look after. They are saying it is now law that legionnaires risk assessments should be carried out on all rented properties.

    Has anybody heard of this because I haven't and if so, will it be a good idea for me to do a legionnaires course.

    Or is it just one big pain in the butt !!

    Your thoughts please!!
     
  2. Rickster123

    Rickster123 Guest

    Legionnaires seems to be the new asbestos. The council are bang on it at the moment. No dead legs on hot supplies etc.
     
  3. merv

    merv Plumber GSR

    When you do a risk assessment, how would you know if there were dead legs beneath the floor??? I'm thinking of doing the course as I've already got a list of 15 property's to do.
     
  4. Soulman

    Soulman GSR

    Not heard it myself, but that doesn't mean its not true.

    Quick scout of the old google brought this up:

    HSE -Legionnaires' disease - What you must do

    Which states landlords have an obligation to understand the risks involved.

    I also found this site, which gives you a downloadable template which, you could use to give you an idea of where to start.

    Practical Guidance And Template For Legionella Risk Assessment | GRL Landlord Association

    I dont think you need to get yourself booked onto a L8 course just to do a risk assessment. As long as you understand the basics, stored water temperatures, dead legs, disinfect shower heads etc.

    Hope thats of some help
     
  5. gasmanrob

    gasmanrob Plumber GSR

    There's been a few of these posts recently, and I've also been doing a lot of dead leg removals and setting temperatures of late so maybe there's some weight in it yet
     
  6. merv

    merv Plumber GSR

    The course is £280. Seems worth while as I can carry out the assessments whilst doing the gas safety checks.. More penny's in the bank!!
     
  7. Rickster123

    Rickster123 Guest

    Sounds like another training centre money making scheme
     
    • Like Like x 4
  8. Chris_Swansea

    Chris_Swansea New Member

    surely water regulations cover legionnaires, as we all know if you have water regs, hot above cold, no dead legs, cold water pipes below 25c law best practice 20c stored hot water above 60c as legionella will flourish between 25c to 50c, or is it like applumbing said another training centre money making scheme and more cards to carry in your wallet
     
    • Like Like x 2
  9. YorkshireDave

    YorkshireDave Member

    Peeps this is utter BS. There is NO specific and seperate requirement to carry out this assessment. If you care to checkout the HSE mythbusters pages you will find HSE say its nowt but a scam by letting agents to frighten landlords into parting with more dosh. The HSE post takes you off to old existing legislation which every landlord should be adhereing to anyway. This is the ongoing duty of care towards tenants.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  10. Roger Welton

    Roger Welton Plumber GSR

    Didn't a landlord get fined £20k or so the other year? I guess the agents are trying to defer any potential liability
     
  11. TFGplumbing

    TFGplumbing Plumber GSR

    You need to do a course to make sure you can check water temperatures... take my money now..

    Oh wait that's not how its going to play out
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. YorkshireDave

    YorkshireDave Member

    The HSE post also states catagorically that they DO NOT accept any form of certificate regarding this inspection. Every landlord has an ongoing duty of care to their tenants so every case is judged on their individual merits. If, for example, you have a tenant in a multi bathroom accomodation but don't tell them to run each shower head for 20 mins once a month and legionella develops in one then its the landlords problem no matter what a cert says. If teh tenant ignores the advice then the tenant is in the clear. If a landlord won't pay for dead legs over, for example, 300mm to be removed and legionella develops then its their head on the block. ALL covered by EXISTING legislation.
     
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
  13. 1Steven

    1Steven Plumber GSR

    I do quite a bit of work in care homes. They all have to comply with risk assessments and schematic drawings and a full breakdown of temp checks shower descaling etc.
    You can download a copy of L8 on the hse website.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. Leezygeezer

    Leezygeezer GSR

    My understanding is that if you are a landlord there is now a legal obligation to carry out a legionella risk assessment on those properties.

    However, you do not need to be a plumber, approved plumber or legionella qualified. Also anyone can download a blank risk assessment template via a Google search/download, performing a risk assessment does not mean that disinfection is required.
     
  15. Leezygeezer

    Leezygeezer GSR

    This is also different in commercial settings, schools, care homes, hospitals etc.
     
Loading...
Similar Threads - legionnaires risk assessment Forum Date
H&S Assignment Risk Assessments Plumbing Forum Feb 15, 2017
Generic Method statement/Risk Assessment Plumbers Arms Feb 9, 2017
Legionella risk of expansion pipe to water tank Plumbers Arms Sep 26, 2016
Risk of Legionella in Immersion Heater Plumbing Forum Aug 29, 2016
At Risk old Ncs Gas Safe Register Forum - Public Forum Aug 7, 2016
Risk assessment Template Plumbing Forum Jul 6, 2016