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But in support of copper as an ideal material for plumbing: 25 years on plastic, 20 years on stainless steel v 5000 years on copper

"Archeologists recovered a portion of the water plumbing system from the Pyramid of Cheops in Egypt. The copper tubing used was found in serviceable condition after more than 5,000 years...."

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Somehow I can't see it being a headline in The Sun in 7012.......

"Archeologists recovered a portion of the water plumbing system from the ruins of ancient London. The plastic tubing used was found in serviceable condition after more than 5,000 years...."
 
Somehow I can't see it being a headline in The Sun in 7012.......

"Archeologists recovered a portion of the water plumbing system from the ruins of ancient London. The plastic tubing used was found in serviceable condition after more than 5,000 years...."

Around 2050 you might see a headline re Britain under two feet of water due to 200,000 miles worth of Speed Fit giving out!
 
As above, always use copper. The only pushfit thing on my van are cap ends, even they are only used as a temporary measure!
 
Technical advancement is driven by the profit motive, and not common sense!

I picked up on the tail-end of a BBC radio 4 program last week, and they had a Professor in something or other on who summed it up for me when he said that he wasn't anti-capitalism, rather, he believed that markets should work in the best interests of people, and not the other way around, as they have come to over the past 25 years.

The Thatcherite mentality of allowing free market forces to prevail has allowed common sense, morality, and honesty to fall by the wayside. The ulltimate driving force has become the desire for profit, further profit, and more profit. It's made a small number of people extremely wealthy, while the rest of us are re-cycling junk that has barely lasted five minutes. Job satisfaction has gone out of the window in many trades because people know that what they are doing is sub standard, or could be done a lot better. Most of the mega-sized companies that are doing well strive to find ways of using less staff, which means putting people out of work. Large numbers of manufacturer's will seek to use cheap labour in other parts of the world whenever possible, thus adding to the unemployment figures. The scrap copper that you sold last month is probably now sat in a Chinese recycling plant the size of a small town.

According to the rules of the free market, this all makes sense!

People who challenge such rules are likely to be branded as socialists/ communists/ anti-capitalists, or with some other inappropriate branding slogan that has been imported from America where the media drip feed "the benefits" of the free market 24/7.

Plumbers may prefer copper, but the politicians will tell the people that plastic is more hygienic, more environmentally friendly, and generally the better product, and you can bet your last fiver that they will quote the research of some graduate in green studies who claims to have shoved a copper pipe up a rat's backside and found that it caused cancer.

Unfortunately, a lot of people will just soak it up and believe such spin, oblivious to the vested interests of those in power who will ensure that the markets work for them, and not for the majority, many of whom will come to realise that they can barely afford plastic pipes, let alone copper ones.
 
plastic is great, im doing a new build plastic install this week. The problem with it is so called plumbers find it easy to fit compared to copper, so there tends to be alot more poor plastic installs compared to copper. It takes a skilled plumber to install both plastic and copper systems correctly, both have different advantages and disadvantages but a poor install is normally the result of a poor trademan.
 
You need a different builder ASAP. I hope you haven't been paying him cash in up front payments, I really do.
 
I have seen worse,as long as there is no actual directional stress on the joints all should be fine.
 
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