installing a back boiler oil link up in a bungalow, anyway around it?

[Gray0689]

I'll not lose any sleep over you that's for sure lol
You want to be a cowboy that's upto you

 

[Mr Flux]

Yes agreed cold feed on return and vent on flow, this needs changing

cheers, whats wrong them both on the flow tho?

 

[Gray0689]

Mr flux where you from in NI

 

[Best]

Water being heated from a fire must rise, as on a gravity circuit, or be pumped constantly, BUT, you can't rely on a pump & you really shouldn't have valves on gravity pipes in case they fail or some idiot closes one accidentally. Hence gravity is the only way. If fire is going full belt & the pump stops for any reason, the boiler will come under a lot pressure, & I wouldn't want to be in the house.
The stove manufacturer will not accept your install, I am sure.

 

[ecowarm]

cheers, whats wrong them both on the flow tho?

If the boiler does start to boil it requires cold water to the bottom of the boiler to cool it

 

[Mr Flux]

If the boiler does start to boil it requires cold water to the bottom of the boiler to cool it

aghhhh cheers

 

[Gray0689]

Tyrone

 

[Nordio]

See this thread..
http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/central-heating-forum/30757-bs-6700-questin.html#post251742

Peteheat says its ok to have the pump fitted on the feed and expansion pipe.
My advice would be stick with the MI's.

What stove have you fitted?

 

[Mr Flux]

Tyrone

Armagh

 

[Best]

Mr flux where you from in NI

More important is, where is this stove installed? .... Just in case it is in a house next door to me! Lol! :grin:

 

[SimonG]

cheers, whats wrong them both on the flow tho?

Why are you doing work that you obviously have no experience in. The key is safety first and it appears from your posts that it is not safe.
You'd have been better teaming up with somebody with good experience of safe installs, would have set you up a treat. Everybody's gotta learn somehow.

 

[Gray0689]

More important is, where is this stove installed? .... Just in case it is in a house next door to me! Lol! :grin:

That's what I was thinking too lol
Glad it's not near me
Mr flux I guess you plumb in the south as any decent plumber would not do that in the north

 

[Mr Flux]

See this thread..
http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/central-heating-forum/30757-bs-6700-questin.html#post251742

Peteheat says its ok to have the pump fitted on the feed and expansion pipe.
My advice would be stick with the MI's.

What stove have you fitted?

its a olymberyl

 

[Nordio]

Why are you doing work that you obviously have no experience in. The key is safety first and it appears from your posts that it is not safe.
You'd have been better teaming up with somebody with good experience of safe installs, would have set you up a treat. Everybody's gotta learn somehow.

Connect a solid fuel boiler up with a vent and no cold feed/expansion the water will simply boil off. I know that because I've done it.
After that its stress relief time for the welds.
Did you read what peteheat wrote on the bs6700 thread? That guy knows his stuff.

 

[Mr Flux]

Connect a solid fuel boiler up with a vent and no cold feed/expansion the water will simply boil off. I know that because I've done it.
After that its stress relief time for the welds.
Did you read what peteheat wrote on the bs6700 thread? That guy knows his stuff.

bunch of grumpy owl men thats what i say! lol

 

[tamz]

Connect a solid fuel boiler up with a vent and no cold feed/expansion the water will simply boil off. I know that because I've done it.

Where is it going to boil off to if you seal it?
There are ways to do this properly as i'm sure you are aware but none are yet approved for use in the uk.
Do what ever you feel right for you but don't encourage others who know no better to indulge in your experiments.

 

[ecowarm]

its a olymberyl

So as far as I can see it a stove with no themostat control

 

[ecowarm]

If a stove with thermostat control you need an heat leak rad of at least 10% what size for a stove with no control at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nordio]

Where is it going to boil off to if you seal it?

Through the vent.

There are ways to do this properly as i'm sure you are aware but none are yet approved for use in the uk.

Broseley fires have scws approved for use in the uk.

Do what ever you feel right for you but don't encourage others who know no better to indulge in your experiments.

What experiments?

 

[Best]

So as far as I can see it a stove with no themostat control

Speeds up the explosion! Lol!

 

[ecowarm]

Through the vent.

Ok if water is boiled off out of vent how does this get replaced? You need to have a read of the requirements for solid fuel boilers in the UK. This is a UK based forum and we have to conform to the requirements, if you are outside the uk that is up to you, carry on, but don't encurage other to follow

 

[Nordio]

Ok if water is boiled off out of vent how does this get replaced? You need to have a read of the requirements for solid fuel boilers in the UK. This is a UK based forum and we have to conform to the requirements, if you are outside the uk that is up to you, carry on, but don't encurage other to follow

Someone said its dangerous. Its not. I'm well aware of the regs.

 

[ecowarm]

If aware of the regs how come you refuse to comply with them?

 

[Nordio]

If aware of the regs how come you refuse to comply with them?

No one can fully comply with regs. But you should comply with MI's where possible.

 

[tamz]

Through the vent.

I apologise for misreading your post. I saw only "no cold feed/expansion" and thought you meant sealed.

You are still encouraging practices of which not many people are aware of the consequences if not done correctly.
Why?

 

[ecowarm]

And who MI's do you comly with? all manufacturers base their instuctions on the the regs unless of coures you fit some dodgy chinese carp

 

[ecowarm]

I apologise for misreading your post. I saw only "no cold feed/expansion" and thought you meant sealed.

You are still encouraging practices of which not many people are aware of the consequences if not done correctly.
Why?

What solid fuel stove manufactorer would allow a vent only no cold feed???????

 

[Nordio]

I would encourage Mr Flux to adhere to the MI's. But they seem to be scant on information regarding the piping layout.
I'd also recommend a clear and unobstructed path to the boiler.

 

[ecowarm]

I would encourage Mr Flux to adhere to the MI's. But they seem to be scant on information regarding the piping layout.
I'd also recommend a clear and unobstructed path to the boiler.

That is because they expect it to be fitted by someone with some idea of the regs

 

[Nordio]

What solid fuel stove manufactorer would allow a vent only no cold feed???????

Some allow neither. Sealed up.

 

[tamz]

What solid fuel stove manufactorer would allow a vent only no cold feed???????

None that i have heard of

 

[Best]

None that i have heard of

That's the problem if you don't do it to MIs, or better, - no warranty, no building control approval, & not a leg to stand on!

 

[ecowarm]

None that i have heard of

Sorry Tam I was refering to this
"Connect a solid fuel boiler up with a vent and no cold feed/expansion the water will simply boil off. I know that because I've done it.
After that its stress relief time for the welds.
Did you read what peteheat wrote on the bs6700 thread? That guy knows his stuff."

 

[tamz]

Aye i read the other thread. I thought it peculiar he (Nordio) would refer to that post when it was clear to a wean with a biscuit bum what peteheat was on about :frown:

 

[ecowarm]

Exactly