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Hi all,

First time buyer and fairly new to DIY around the house. I noticed today that one of my rain gutter pipe has come loose as its wall bracket has broken off from the wall. The screw heads on the current bracket has corroded so I'm unable to take it off the pipe.

I'm looking to refit a new bracket but unsure on the size needed. I took the pipe and measured it's width on a paper which came to 75 mm. Could someone show me what type of bracket is needed please?

I've a attached a picture of the pipe if it helps.

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That looks to be asbestos cement pipe.

If asbestos, be very careful not to damage it! Don't try to cut the pipe either. And dispose of, if required, as recommended by your council (many offer a free or subsidised disposal service, so do make use of this if you need to get rid).

If you want to keep the existing pipe:

It should be possible to use a steel pipe clip similar to your broken one to refix this in place. Or you might get away with refixing that existing bracket back to the wall, if serviceable. Something akin to this will be needed: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rolson-Offset-Screwdriver-Set-Pieces/dp/B0080R29PE Personally, if you can fit the pipe a little lower, so you can screw into the brick, I think that would be stronger, (but quite honestly, if you do not have a good technical level, then you could probably bung the holes full of Gripfill, push in some new screws and support it in place with some clever propping into place until the Gripfill sets (24 hours!) and it'd last for years)

The bracket itself, if you need a new one, should be easy enough to source in a proper builder's merchant, e.g. Jewson or a good independent. I doubt the 'sheds' will have a steel bracket: they'll try to sell you plastic, I expect, and it wouldn't be a good solution. Failing that, try Graham plumber's merchant and tell them you want the A548 wall bracket for the Saint Gobain Cast Iron rainwater pipe in 75mm, (Saint Gobain product code 192302) and they should theoretically be able to get it in, in my experience. Or any specialist that supplies cast iron guttering should have one, as asbestos pipe is very often similar in size and shape to cast-iron.
 
If you tap it and get a metallic ring, it could be aluminium. And if a magnet sticks, then it's cast-iron.
 
Hi mate,

Thanks for your advice. Touched a magnet to it but doesn't attract. Gave it a tap but no ring, more of a hollow sound, definitely doesn't look like the upvc plastic one you see in modern day plumbing, so would this be asbestos?

Had a quick look at the current bracket and the screw slots looks f*cked. Don't know if I'm able to re-use, attached a couple more pictures, maybe you can give a second opinion?
If you tap it and get a metallic ring, it could be aluminium. And if a magnet sticks, then it's cast-iron.

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its not an approved but if it can hold its own weight up

cable tie and a 2.5mm twe cable clip for now and start looking at replacing the gutter / downpipe
 
its not an approved but if it can hold its own weight up

cable tie and a 2.5mm twe cable clip for now and start looking at replacing the gutter / downpipe
Don't think cable tie with the clips would hold the weight, it's fairly weighted, I'd say 1-2kg weight if I had to guess
 
Don't think cable tie with the clips would hold the weight, it's fairly weighted, I'd say 1-2kg weight if I had to guess

where does it go at the bottom?
 
That looks to be asbestos cement pipe.

If asbestos, be very careful not to damage it! Don't try to cut the pipe either. And dispose of, if required, as recommended by your council (many offer a free or subsidised disposal service, so do make use of this if you need to get rid).

If you want to keep the existing pipe:

It should be possible to use a steel pipe clip similar to your broken one to refix this in place. Or you might get away with refixing that existing bracket back to the wall, if serviceable. Something akin to this will be needed: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rolson-Offset-Screwdriver-Set-Pieces/dp/B0080R29PE Personally, if you can fit the pipe a little lower, so you can screw into the brick, I think that would be stronger, (but quite honestly, if you do not have a good technical level, then you could probably bung the holes full of Gripfill, push in some new screws and support it in place with some clever propping into place until the Gripfill sets (24 hours!) and it'd last for years)

The bracket itself, if you need a new one, should be easy enough to source in a proper builder's merchant, e.g. Jewson or a good independent. I doubt the 'sheds' will have a steel bracket: they'll try to sell you plastic, I expect, and it wouldn't be a good solution. Failing that, try Graham plumber's merchant and tell them you want the A548 wall bracket for the Saint Gobain Cast Iron rainwater pipe in 75mm, (Saint Gobain product code 192302) and they should theoretically be able to get it in, in my experience. Or any specialist that supplies cast iron guttering should have one, as asbestos pipe is very often similar in size and shape to cast-iron.

Would this seem to do the trick? A548 Screw Fix Wall Bracket - Galvanised Steel | Classical Rainwater
 
As an aside, the new bunch of brown cables have been poked through the wall without a drip loop - this is bad practice and will let water into building. If there’s any slack, pull a loop down - if not then get busy with a silicone gun, and be thorough.
 
Yes, that was exactly what I was suggesting.

Is your existing bracket broken, or is that the remains of an old screw stuck in the screw-hole? I can't make it out from the pictures, I'm afraid?

Asbestos rainwater goods are basically a form of concrete re-inforced with asbestos fibres, so an unpainted section will look much like cement. Sometimes you will see the exposed fibres where weathering has been severe, but yours has been painted which should have helped protect it. It certainly looks like asbestos-cement from the pictures you have posted.

To be honest, since that section is already loose, my inclination would be to replace with plastic and dispose of that section in a responsible manner. As long as you can get a pipe with a socket that will fit over the bottom of the bit of pipe above, then you're good to go.
 
Yes, that was exactly what I was suggesting.

Is your existing bracket broken, or is that the remains of an old screw stuck in the screw-hole? I can't make it out from the pictures, I'm afraid?

Asbestos rainwater goods are basically a form of concrete re-inforced with asbestos fibres, so an unpainted section will look much like cement. Sometimes you will see the exposed fibres where weathering has been severe, but yours has been painted which should have helped protect it. It certainly looks like asbestos-cement from the pictures you have posted.

To be honest, since that section is already loose, my inclination would be to replace with plastic and dispose of that section in a responsible manner. As long as you can get a pipe with a socket that will fit over the bottom of the bit of pipe above, then you're good to go.
Thanks alot Ric. I may just do that!
 
Hi all,

First time buyer and fairly new to DIY around the house. I noticed today that one of my rain gutter pipe has come loose as its wall bracket has broken off from the wall. The screw heads on the current bracket has corroded so I'm unable to take it off the pipe.

I'm looking to refit a new bracket but unsure on the size needed. I took the pipe and measured it's width on a paper which came to 75 mm. Could someone show me what type of bracket is needed please?

I've a attached a picture of the pipe if it helps.

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It's not a rain gutter pipe it's a rainwater pipe. The gutters are the things that catch the water coming off the roof.
 

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