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  1. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    EB42167A-E74A-4526-B3A7-543C122CC985.jpeg .

    Got caught out with this job today . No isolation valve , stoptap wouldnt shut off, had to take cistern off a 40 ish year old pan and replace syphon , easy job eh .
    Battled and put a Dudley on, new fill valve , handle etc etc.
    But the bleeding thing will not flush properly , its obviously a syphonic and doesnt like the new syphon .
    In the bottom of the old syphon is the “thing “ in the picture , its nact , covers a hole in the pan where the water enters .
    Never seen one before , can I block it up ? , any ideas how to get it working , or am I flogging a dead orse ?

    As usual , thanks in advance
     
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  2. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

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  3. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

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  4. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Lol , ace !!

    Have you any what it does and why it should alter it flushing ?
     
  5. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

     
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  6. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Have a Google, once found a very good article about them for a customer after local handyman did what you did then blamed the sani for not sucking the waste away! :mad::mad::mad:
     
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  7. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    You remember the article on the Alladin easy fit iso valve?
    I brought one, found it a little pricey, bulky and heavy but it got me out a jam once.
     
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  8. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    How I have never come up against one of these absolutely baffles me
     
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  9. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I've only seen one, in easy terms great for massive shits / loads much better than today's toilets
     
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  10. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    If you mean the toilet, you can tell by looking at the pan side on. Brilliant idea and great flush as you will see in time, generally last for donkeys of years without fault.
    How old are you in Donkey years? ;)
     
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  11. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Lol , bleeding old git status , I have seen loads of syphonics just not the aspirators.
     
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  12. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Grand master donkey :D
     
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  13. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Wish I was hung like one
     
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  14. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    So does your missus!
    (You left the door wide open mate).
     
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  15. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    :D dirty dirty jon
     
  16. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I always fancied been a pornstar , what a way to earn a living
     
  17. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    You say that now imagine doing 10 years of that

    You will need more than a blue pill to help the awaking
     
  18. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    10 years nah would have to be a load longer than that
     
  19. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Take it you`ve read about the casting couch in recent media, now imagine a 60yr old saying "Prove it" to you! :eek:
     
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  20. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Nah never time to read crap like that , spend too long on here and FB , if it is about sexual harassment, I am up for that
     
  21. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I have had this problem before, but I was completely bam bamboozled. A customer called me saying she had a plumber in to fix the toilet and it hasn’t flushed properly since. That was about 12 months ago. (I couldn’t fix it)I have just text them back to say I now know what it is and would they like me to have another look.:p:p:p:p. cheers Town.:p:p:D
     
  22. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    I feel old now! :) I used to install those syphonic toilets, - Armitage brand. Best toilet made!
    I repair them still. Not that they need much. The Airex must fit the syphon properly. Tip, - The domed washer on bottom of Airex has to be flat face down against the pan and to fit it correctly on Airex just means pushing it on first part of Airex stem and it will push into correct position when you lower the cistern down onto pan.
    The Airex, or also called a bomb, if washer on it is damaged, will cause the pan to fill high up and then slowly drain away, similar to if sewer or pan was blocked.
    A good plumber would know a syphonic toilet just by glancing at it. ;)
    The pan is not as deep as a normal wash down pan and also if you look at the side of loo you usually notice it had a double trap sort of shape
     
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  23. Harvest Fields

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  24. Phil

    Phil Plumber

    What I hate about siphon swaps is the Ideal Standard sloping side wall cisterns where a normal shaped siphon wont go in, has to be round or D shaped. Aragh.
    Also no room for brass shank jobbie so the nasty part 3 has to go back in. Plenty of room on the other side of the cistern but oh no, it all has to be squashed in on the right hand side why is this?
     
  25. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Or the new fluid master siphon ;)
     
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  26. YorkshireDave

    YorkshireDave Active Member

    I just tell em, "too old. no more spares" = new bog... Then they find out water is scarce in new ones :eek:
     
  27. SimonG

    SimonG Trusted Plumber

    Best toilets out there. Can't beat a syphonic toilet. Always carry a bomb in the van. Lots of them round my way.
     
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  28. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    In my own house I still have an Armitage syphonic toilet from 1975.
    Still near original except I replaced the small washer on the Airex 2 or 3 years ago.
    Ordinary toilets now with the water in pan so low, just seem wrong
     
  29. Nwalky

    Nwalky New Member

    Ive only seen one of these once and thats when i was an apprentice and too young to appreciate the educational factor of it, seen the tradesman fit, didn't pay much attention and now i regret it because i just know i'm going to come across one of these in the future
     
  30. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Update on this job for anybody that’s interested .
    Fitted a fixed height Dudley 88 ( not the adjustable)and there own aspirator ( thanks to RPM and Shaun ) from toolstation.
    Flushing like a gud’un now.
    Time wise its been a nightmare job , this is why I wont quote a price for 99% of my jobs.
     
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  31. Best

    Best Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    The customer just got unlucky and picked an inexperienced plumber.
    ;)
     
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  32. Ball Cock

    Ball Cock New Member

    Christ! thats not going to shift a couple of 6x3s
     
  33. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    The second toilet will easily
     
  34. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    This was just one of those jobs , it wasnt so much the aspirator, it was the rest , have a read and a laugh..
    1 . Couldnt park within 100 yds
    2. No isolation valve to toilet, no chance of fitting one, straight out of wall to tap connector, no movement.
    3. Stop tap in cellar , he doesnt use the cellar,had to squeeze through a 1” gap to get to stop tap.
    4.Stop tap wont shut off, found another , that didnt shut off. Opened all downstairs taps and bath tap before I removed the cistern, water running all the time
    5. Fill valve nact , handle nact , overflow didnt line up .
    6. Time used up to go to plumbs for new syphon, ordered aspirator off toolstation.
    7. Tossing post man delivered parcel to next door and didnt leave a card , total fluke I saw the neighbour the day after and he mentioned he had a parcel.

    I honestly could go on theres a lot more but I have lost the will to live lol

    Oh the best bit , I charged him £150 plus parts
     
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  35. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Think I would of walked at number 4 jon with no full iso mind you i have carried on before with a temp iso valve on the end of the cistern feed pipe before.
     
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