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Discuss Connecting Toilet Pan to soil pipe on same floor level? in the Sanitary Ware area at UKPlumbersForums.co.uk.

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  1. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    Hello again!

    I'm in the process of installing my bathroom and i'm wondering how is best to connect into the soil pipe. A tee pointing upwards will mean the flexi pan pipe i'm going to use likely would not have fall on it.

    Is there a different type of tee piece i could buy that doesn't stick out so much, or other ideas on what i should do? could i just lay the tee piece flat if i can get a small flexi?


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  2. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    Also, you can see from the pictures the 40mm pipe entering the 110mm pipe. I want to move things around slightly so would like to replace this, what is the correct way to join into a 110 pipe end like this, i can't find a product on screwfix?
     
  3. JCplumb

    JCplumb Plumber

    You want pretty much what you have now, but the tee needs to be pointing out horizontally(ish) rather than vertically, you also need to extend the soil run a little so it comes out directly behind the wc.
    You could replace the tee with a 90deg elbow that has a boss for the 40mm waste, again though it needs to be directly behind the wc, so extending the soil run is a must for either solution.
    I'd use solvent weld fittings where possible, especially on horizontal runs.
    You'll probably need to repipe the 15mm cold feed.
     
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2016
  4. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    Hey, thanks for th reply!

    Just to clarify, i have another 300mm unit going next to the toilet one, and will box in the last tiny bit (of the bath/basin waste)

    I've just had another look and the white pipe going into the 110mm is actually 55mm, at least thats what it says on the reducer. Its not a compression fitting just looks like an o-ring with a cap over it

    The reason i didn't want to extend and replace the tee is i'll have to cut the 55mm pipe and redo all of that side, or have more joints. Also to move the tee to the right i'll need another coupler on the 110mm? Does the tee really need to be directly behind the toilet if i have a flexi pan connector?

    I've got a 15mm/1/2" 1000mm flexi hose in my basket ready for the feed in, as the cistern has a top/side inlet. Just need to know if i really need to move all these bits before checking out!
     
  5. JCplumb

    JCplumb Plumber

    Yes you'll need a coupler so that you can move the tee further along. If it's an uncommon sized waste connection and you're determined to keep that it, keep the tee and reducer that are there, just move it along with a coupler and a new piece of 110mm between the coupler and the tee.
    No you don't absolutely have to move the tee(although you will need to rotate it), but you are risking future problems by having the tee and a flexi which will create the equivalent of 3 90deg bends in a very short run of soil.
    You may even get poor flushing from day one if you do it that way. A rule of thumb with wastes and soil is to have as few bends as possible.
    If it was me, and that waste is an unusual size, I'd re-do the waste from the bath in standard 40mm solvent weld bossed into the soil in a similar way to how the 55mm is currently connected.
    Then I'd connect the basin waste into the soil behind the wc on its own boss to help prevent the bath pulling the trap of the basin or vice versa (I'd have anti syphon traps on basin and bath if possible for belt and braces).
    The 110mm tee would be directly behind the loo with a bent or straight pan connector - whichever one is needed.
    I'd say a maximum of an hours work if you have everything you need to hand, and there's very little risk of problems if you do it right first time.
    I have a very similar setup in my house where I have vanity wc and basin next to each other with the basin waste bossed into the 110mm soil, it works well, although my bath has its own waste run.
    As for the 1m flexi to feed the wc, I agree that flexis make connecting to concealed cisterns a lot easier, but why not hard pipe it to 300mm from the cistern connection, then use a 300mm flexi tap con. Will mean a lot less weight pulling down on the fill valve which is only supported by a thin plastic cistern wall.
     
  6. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    I could replace the whole lot but it seems like i'd be redoing it the same, because to get the fall on splitting the basin out from the bath, i would have to have a huge height of boxed in areas at two places.

    Ok, so say i cut the 55mm so i can move the tee along, put a coupler there to reconnect it. I'll then have to extend the 110, but where i'm only moving it 12cm i won't be able to fit a coupler in between the tee and the existing socket? I can't pull these parts off because i think they are glued, so i'll end up having like 8 joints!

    As for the cold feed i dont have the tools to extend the copper, don't see the point in using push fits when can just connect up the flexi, not sure about the weight of it though, its not heavy so didn't consider that
     
  7. JCplumb

    JCplumb Plumber

    Post some pics up when you've finished please.
    Cheers
     
  8. fishnchips

    fishnchips Member

    I'd suggest, providing the pan and unit are not fixed, butt the toilet unit to the shelving unit, this would probably make the 4" tee pretty close to the centre of the toilet pan waste, then twist the tee horizontal, if the bosses are in the way then cut them.
     
  9. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    All the units will be next to each other, joined and a worktop on the lower 2. But even with this they are close but not inline. I had hoped the flexi would be ok but previous replies has made me think twice.

    Now i really have no idea what to do!
     
  10. Riley

    Riley Plumber GSR

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  11. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

  12. oz-plumber

    oz-plumber Plumber

    Nice reply !!!

    You've been given advice, you've admitted you don't know what to do, and you want to go on the sledge.

    I think your on your own from here on.

    Have a nice day
     
  13. Dotty

    Dotty Guest

    It's a forum for professionals and diy. What you need to realise is that we can spot when and where someone is getting out of their depth. That is when we advise you get someone in. And who better than one of us?

    So on that basis I would appreciate a retraction of your comment above.
     
  14. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Croppie, looks like he has the hump, he`s gone elsewhere with the same Q.
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2016
  15. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    Its a forum, if i wanted to get a plumber in i would have called one. I've done the whole bathroom myself so far and I won't be calling anyone in as its not a rush to complete.

    I will complete it myself, i've ordered everything to do the waste from scratch, i was just trying to avoid that hence the questions.

    I really do hate these forums where people assume so much, if you can't answer the questions then just don't bother.

    edit: its also interesting how only a single person replies, and then when there is some "Drama" in come the trolls.
     
  16. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    Not at all, it was a bad assumption, i am more than capable of gluing some pipe together i just wanted some advice on the best way to do it, not doing the work itself.

    As i said in the previous post i've done everything else myself from ripping out to where it is now and it looks great so far. I will share some pics of the completed bathroom :)
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2016
  17. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    its a bit more than gluing pipe together as you know but good on your for having a bash
     
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  18. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    Ok i need to push the pan connector into the tee :D. No, but in all seriousness I have done plenty of conduit work in my time and plastic with pre-made bends is simple stuff compared to steel and a spring

    Brazing the rad on the other hand i won't bother doing :)
     
  19. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    all i will say each to there own as you will understand but keep us updated and any problems please ask them
     
  20. Dotty

    Dotty Guest

    If you're referring to me as a troll you may find that to be a very silly mistake.
     
  21. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    I didn't specifically have you in mind no, but I also wouldn't discount saying it if that's what i thought, just because you are a "moderator", it means nothing to me. I also don't care for threats on a forum, its quite pathetic.

    Moderating a forum is not a position of power unfortunately, people come and go and whatever powers you feel you have are pointless and false, if people are bothered about using this place they will come back in 10min under a different name, email and IP, just saying.

    Good luck with the moderating, enjoy it and take it more lightly :shades_smile:
     
  22. Riley

    Riley Plumber GSR

    No one is threatening anyone and I resent being called a troll with several thousand posts. You need to reel your neck in as there are many people on here with hundreds of years of combined professional plumbing service under their belts. We as professionals offer our advice FREE we will offer you the same courtesy you offer us however you've decided to throw the toys out. You said you didn't know what to do so what is the harm in suggesting one of our trusted professionals from here? It's not touting its offering a professional that will not mess you about in the untrusting world we live in. I'm not criticising what you've done but rather trying to help you round something you're struggling with. You are obviously one of those that knows better though so good luck and I'm out.
     
  23. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    You were the first person to reply, read my post, i said the trolls come out "after" drama happens... The comment wasn't aimed at any specifically, just that typical of all forums when someone argues tons of others come and join in just to troll.

    And "you may find that to be a very silly mistake.", this is a threat FYI
     
  24. Riley

    Riley Plumber GSR

    Grow up mate. It's a threat in so much as you will get banned if you don't treat other members with respect. I've done nothing to disrespect you other than suggest some professional assistance we have no idea of people's competencies and plumbing ability hence the suggestion of getting a pro to look at the soil pipe situation. It's amazing how quickly people get out of their depth.
     
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  25. uselessplumber

    uselessplumber New Member

    This has nothing to do with growing up... Yes it was a threat to ban me for literally nothing, just because i'm standing my ground.

    I'm not fussed either way, i appreciated the early advice here, but i won't be told what to do and where to go by some guy on a forum just because he has a badge and some permissions. Conversation from me ends here :)
     
  26. Riley

    Riley Plumber GSR

    Fine no skin off ours. This is a friendly forum and to be honest you just didn't like what you were told as you were trying every option to avoid re-piping even though that's what you were being told by experienced pros. Good luck with the project
     
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  27. oz-plumber

    oz-plumber Plumber

    FYI - This forum is what it is because of the Moderators.

    It's a pity your plumbing knowledge and capabilities are not as keyed up as your internet abilities.

    Pity the answers for your plumbing problems aren't as easy as getting a new email, IP address and username.

    Because if they were you would have had your bathroom completed and wouldn't need advice from us.
     
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  28. rpm

    rpm Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Guy's stop feeding the troll and let him do his bathroom the way he likes.
    PS
    He only got one reply from another forum and didn't like that advice either which speaks volumes.
     
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  29. Dotty

    Dotty Guest

    I don't make threats. Only promises.

    And I will not tolerate the attitude shown by the op.

    And if he thinks he can reregister under a different name then he'll be in for a bit of a shock. We've already thought about that.

    Thread closed.
     
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