Can you sign off an installation done by a non-GSR plumber?

Discussion in 'Gas Safe Register Forum - Public Forum' started by Masood, Dec 2, 2015.

  1. Masood

    Masood UK Plumbersforums Trusted Advisor.

  2. thompsonbrown

    thompsonbrown New Member

    I know a hell of a lot of guys who do do it. Might be worth showing them this. Good post.
     
  3. bassmonster

    bassmonster New Member

    I've been asked many times to commission Boilers, I always decline.
     
  4. Riley

    Riley Plumbers Arms member

    I have to say I get probably two or three a week on at least three occasions the same guy has phoned me not realising he had contacted me already. Problem is some idiot will do it I just can't see why it's worth taking the risk If I make a mistake I've only got myself to blame
     
  5. croppie

    croppie Forum Thug

    Think I'll sticky this thread.
     
  6. newcastle phill

    newcastle phill New Member

    I think the pertinent point is knowingly.
    There is a very carefully crafted technical bullitin on this where in certain circumstances (no previous collusion with unregistered installer) it is acceptable and even encouraged to do so.


    Their reasoning is they would rather know it was safe than left so....
     
  7. stevetheplumber

    stevetheplumber UK Plumbersforums Trusted Advisor.

    if there hadnt been a defect on the work i wonder if it would have gone to court im still of the opinion that we all sign of someone elses work every time we do a landlords cert anyone here remove the boiler to check the fixings during a landlords cert? no unless it s your own work then you are declaring it safe when infact you dont know
    new build site work is never started and completed by the same people sometimes not even by the same company
     
  8. stevetheplumber

    stevetheplumber UK Plumbersforums Trusted Advisor.

    thinking about this there should be a category for commisioning systems with a fitted by persons unknown box to tick then gas safe should become involved in the task of tracing them its in the interests of gas safety that rouge installs are inspected
     
  9. newcastle phill

    newcastle phill New Member

    A simple yet good idea
     
  10. bassmonster

    bassmonster New Member

    A good idea, yet, at the same time I can it will encourage more illegal installs
     
  11. newcastle phill

    newcastle phill New Member

    Disagree. Simply a box to inform gas safe to possibly follow up and investigate with customer
     
  12. joni os

    joni os Plumbers Arms member

    Peter the Pole would get the blame. For those who haven't met him, Peter is a man of NFA who works for cash, can never be contacted after the event and gets blamed for everything that goes wrong. Even if he was never there.
     
  13. Masood

    Masood UK Plumbersforums Trusted Advisor.

    I see where you're coming from but the requirements for commissioning and compliance certificate are much more in-depth than a landlord cert. Obviously it wouldn't be practical to do a full recommission every year, but we take on trust that the commisioning engineer did it right, so we are doing mare "maintenance" checks.
     
  14. spanner

    spanner New Member

     
  15. mooey

    mooey Banned

    Can t see the problem with it as long as its checked over properly whats the difference between that and doing a service.when you service a boiler you dont know if its been installed correctly until you look at it yourself.
     
  16. Riley

    Riley Plumbers Arms member

    it's a definite no no. When you service you don't scrutinise every single part of the installation for example is the gas pipe installed to standard where it disappears into the floor. I would assume there is nobody here that will go pulling up floorboards just to check the gas pipe run for example? Why not? Because you have to make a certain degree of assumption that the person who installed it knew what they were doing. If you are signing off someone else's work then you have no confirmation that everything has been installed to standard unless you demolish it and start again in which case what's the point
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2016
  17. spanner

    spanner New Member

    As above 102%. As Riley says. And guess if anything were to go wrong with a new installation Doing that it just means trouble. For me. I always make sure I'm on track. As to communicating I might have missed out on something myself, but at least i know I'll have piece of mind to have the task properly answered. As to being gas safe registered. It's not the "end of"! To me it's always a new beginning and keeping updated on a basis.
    As to servicing, had a few bad starts here and only made me think again I'm learning here.
    But a deffo no when or if it comes to that. I'd rather not be considered.
    At the least is having to check and doing a let by tightness test with tiny untraceable leakage.
    OR working with ALL appliances and not having enough due for undersized pipework.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2016
  18. Riley

    Riley Plumbers Arms member

    I knew someone would come straight back with an argument like that. Showing once again that the public are not informed by the body ie Gas Safe
     
  19. AlexGas

    AlexGas Plumbers Arms member

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  20. dave1

    dave1 Plumbers Arms member

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