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Discuss Best Boiler Plus Compliant controls For A landlord That Doesn't Want To spend Any money? in the Central Heating Forum area at UKPlumbersForums.co.uk.

  1. jtsplumbing

    jtsplumbing Plumber GSR

    Thing is whatever the landlord buys it will have to conform to the new regs, if not ! Don't fit it,
     
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  2. oz-plumber

    oz-plumber Plumber

    We have had similar issues over here.

    It's not about efficiency of the system - it's about efficiency of the appliance and / or efficiency of the appliance servicing the system.

    I could go into specifics, but I believe it is manufacturer driven to give greenie pen pushers a purpose.
     
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  3. heatservice

    heatservice Member

    Ban preheat would save the World lol
     
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  4. Murdoch

    Murdoch Active Member

    Would you actually fit a boiler bought by a cheapskate?
     
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  5. jtsplumbing

    jtsplumbing Plumber GSR

    Yes, at the end of the day work is work ! still charge the same labour rate, Just any problems with boiler is a chargeable call customers problem, And lets be honest you cant make a large mark up on boiler or anything these days customer has usely checked out prices B4 you get there, So I'm happy to fit whatever customer wants to supply as long as you point out any problems will impose extra costs.
     
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  6. oz-plumber

    oz-plumber Plumber

    At the end of the day and if sh1t hits the fan, you will be held accountable and liable.
    The Landlord will state that he employed you to install a boiler, that he supplied, and expected you to install it to regulations.

    There is no way the landlord would state that he informed you to do an installation that doesn't comply with regulations.
    He's not expected to know the regs - but you are
     
  7. gingalig

    gingalig GSR

    Work is work, if the boiler fits wear it ;-) I have been using load compensation because the old folks like the fit and forget aspect and its a cheap compliance, the Viesmann range also come with built in weather compensation and a free sensor, Baxi which is probably something like your landlord will want to buy, have an easy install weather comp which is cheap. Faliure to comply with boiler plus is a breach of building regs, which you as the installer having completed the sign off would be liable for.
     
  8. Ric2013

    Ric2013 Plumber

    Surely the bit about combis only relates to the 92% erp?
     
  9. Ric2013

    Ric2013 Plumber

    What if, hypothetically, you had a zone valve and stat for each room? Personally, I find TRVs are crap in many ways. I do fit them as a cheap and cheerful upgrade on manual valves, but I would rarely consider them to be the ideal solution.
     
  10. gingalig

    gingalig GSR

    That would possibly come under the remit of smart controls if they were controlled individually, but you can already get electronicly operated trvs like the evo home system.
     
  11. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    You could do that but would be more expensive than evo home
     
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  12. gmartine

    gmartine GSR

    Not entirely sure, logic4training states in that link all boilers but the HHIC flow diagram says not.
     
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  13. hammers4spanner

    hammers4spanner Plumber GSR

    You can fit a neomitis room smart stat cheap as chips.
    One of the vokera boilers has a small link in it aparently that if you disconnect becomes boiler plus complient.
    As for build regs my mate does that for a living and has he said to me.
    To busy to bother with that ' she it '!!!
     
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  14. S.P.S.

    S.P.S. GSR

    @Ric2013@Ric2013 @gmartine@gmartine

    All new boilers need to have 92% erp on their space heating output.

    IE - heat only and system need to be 92% erp, Combi needs to be 92% erp on central heating only.

    You won’t be able to buy a boiler with less than this, (unless very old stock?!) so this part is done for you. The flow chart just refers to controls.

    Combi boilers are invariably hugely over sized on their central heating output for the property they are installed in, 24 - 30kw, which could rightfully be installed in a flat! So load comp alone makes sense

    Stu
     
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    Last edited: Apr 19, 2018
  15. jtsplumbing

    jtsplumbing Plumber GSR

    And quite a lot have the flue recovery system built in !
     
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