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Discuss MCS Accreditation at UK Plumbers Forums; Originally Posted by Ivor Bates Unless things change dramatically I'm not sure whether I'll bother with MCS. Having already invested both time and money with Vaillant and Worcester on their ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivor Bates View Post
    Unless things change dramatically I'm not sure whether I'll bother with MCS. Having already invested both time and money with Vaillant and Worcester on their solar courses, I have also attended MCS course with Worcester. On both of these companies websites as being accredited for nearly 5 years, heavilly promoted on both my websites. With the grand total of installations to date.....3 lol. Oh yes I'm also on the REAL assurance listing. Am I going to chuck anymore money and time at this? No. It seems to me that for the costs involved and the returns gained Joe public are not investing in this technology unless of course it is being subsidised by the Government, which mean us the the taxpayer is paying for it via the back door. It's very difficult to convince people to invest in being green and energy efficient when fuel bills are rocketing and were in the middle of a recession.
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    Right assessment is Wednesday and I'd like to add my estimate of costs to get this farTraining solar £450Training heat pumps £650Napit registration £750Real registration £220Books tr30 £40Easymcs qms £700Time off for training 6 days, Time spent on qms est 10 hours. So if I said £200 a day lost for time £1400 ish.Total est £4500
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivor Bates View Post
    Unless things change dramatically I'm not sure whether I'll bother with MCS. Having already invested both time and money with Vaillant and Worcester on their solar courses.
    just do the 2399, its all done in one course, saving you money in the long run

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    just do the 2399, its all done in one course, saving you money in the long run
    Does that encompass all the renewable technologies? Do you have a link for some reading material on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaton View Post
    Right assessment is Wednesday and I'd like to add my estimate of costs to get this farTraining solar £450Training heat pumps £650Napit registration £750Real registration £220Books tr30 £40Easymcs qms £700Time off for training 6 days, Time spent on qms est 10 hours. So if I said £200 a day lost for time £1400 ish.Total est £4500
    Hi Eaton, can I check a couple of things with you, firstly did you already have experience with heat pumps if so and you can prove competence and understanding then you do not have to attend a training course. NIC EIC are charging as little as £350 for assessment top end £590 if you don't have any discount. Not sure why Napit are charging so much. How many employees do you have as REAL is £200 a year payable January to December you must have over 25 employees to be paying £750. The only external document you have to hold is the TR30 all others can be just access to depending on the certification body. And I think it may be the Worcester Bosch mcs made easy course you attended nit Easy MCS. An average installers who has experience in his chosen technology has only three fee's £495 to Easy mcs QMS management system (estimated five hours working time prior to assessment)£200 real£550 NIC EIC assessment.Total £1245I hope this helps with others looking to gain accreditation and trying to keep the cost down.

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    You've got costs muddled it's the way this site formatted, I'm a one man band check the figures again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaton View Post
    Right assessment is Wednesday and I'd like to add my estimate of costs to get this farTraining solar £450,Training heat pumps £650,Napit registration £750,Real registration £220,Books tr30 £40,Easymcs qms £700,Time off for training 6 days, Time spent on qms est 10 hours. So if I said £200 a day lost for time £1400 ish.Total est £4500
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    Thanks Eaton I understand now, so to sum it up for a £3000 financial Investment + your time you will now be able to offer additional service through your company as a qualified and registered renewable engineer. Based on the fact that these prices I assume include VAT @ 20% and that you are VAT registered then your pay back period on £200 per day is 12.5 days. Your on going mcs certification will be around around £650 + vat so annual cost is around three days. I am sure you will find this a well worth while investment and thank you for using own service, do you know who your mentor has been at Easy MCS ?

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    Hi EasyMCS you run those figures off like a well oiled politicians spin doctor unfortunatley you forget that as eaton is a oneman band these are not his only costs there are also the costs of any other bodies he is a member of, so why does the MCS have to exist as a body why cant there be just one body for heating engineers
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    easyMCS you're assuming that once you've got MCS accreditation there's going to be an endless supply of work, seeing as the this incompetent government has ballsed up the RHI unless you are into solar PV its not worthwhile registering for MCS and I for one am peed off at having spent a lot of money on pointless training courses for renewables when there's very little work to be had because of a lack of promised incentives from a bunch of corrupt MP's who are too busy with their snouts in the trough that is solar PV.
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    Hi EasyMCS you run those figures off like a well oiled politicians spin doctor unfortunatley you forget that as eaton is a oneman band these are not his only costs there are also the costs of any other bodies he is a member of, so why does the MCS have to exist as a body why cant there be just one body for heating engineers
    Unguided1 I can assure you as the operations manager of easy mcs that I have not forgot the running costs of a one man band as I was one until January this year. I set up Easy mcs along side my own installation business which was me and an apprentice. And left to concentrate on easy mcs in January this year. Easy mcs was created with good intrusions to simplify the process of creating the mcs which in your own words is a barrier for installers but I have certainly spent my time in your position and I hope the service easy mcs offers is value for money. But I can assure you we don't wright the standards or advise on them we just take down a barrier that may prevent other installers gaining mcs.Easy mcs is only here to help where needed and I fully understand the costs involved in gaining mcs as I did it for myself prior to joining. I hope this shows that we are not just a faceless organisation and I would apprecite the chance to meet with yourself so you can see for yourself that I personally will assist fellow heating engineers in any way I can around gaining mcs be that in free seminars or discussing barriers to present to the certification bodies to develop a solution that not only conforms with the regulation but works for all involved. If you would like to take me up on a meeting please pm your details and I will contact you to discuss further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markfxy View Post
    easyMCS you're assuming that once you've got MCS accreditation there's going to be an endless supply of work, seeing as the this incompetent government has ballsed up the RHI unless you are into solar PV its not worthwhile registering for MCS and I for one am peed off at having spent a lot of money on pointless training courses for renewables when there's very little work to be had because of a lack of promised incentives from a bunch of corrupt MP's who are too busy with their snouts in the trough that is solar PV.
    Mark, do you see any benefits to the RHI announcement ?It's the first heat production incentive of it's kind and the RHI premium payment set to come in this September is estimated to be worth around a years worth of the anticipated RHI payments. The only people to lose out on this is the heat pump manufactures who have concentrated on commercial air source. I would be interested to hear your thoughts as this questions comes up many times during our trainng days and mentoring service.

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