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Thank you. So I will install the flue as it is currently but with the facade flue.
Would you install it the same way as it is ?
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Would you install it the same way as it is ?
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Needs to be outdoor rated and depends on bigger picture eg locations
Did you heat loss the building?
Did you heat loss the building?
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Best bet is to ask Vaillant. I cannot see the full run/route/distance.
I'm sure on the 466 and 656 you can go 22 meter plus 3 elbows but the Air intake must be 4 meter or less away from the flue system connection to the Boiler.
Ask for a copy of the Commercial Systems catalogue.
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Thank you.
I just received today the catalogue and will check exactly what I need. I appreciate your help a lot as well as every other member over here.
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Attached is the file I created with a Vaillant mate. However, I phoned Vaillant many times but somehow they dont seem to understand what I am after. I am after a product list which is made for my system. The way it works in Germany is, you give them details about the property ( size, what system is currently installed and what system you are going to install, heat loss, and based on this they click through their systems and create the right hydraulic plan with a price list ( attached ) which is especially designed for your system.
Can anyone tell me how’s it works in uk it seems to me the Vaillant w
Quality is totally different and quote poor.
It also seem that Vaillant doesn’t do the ecocompact boilers over here in uk.
The list which is attached is basically made with my details and system I am going to install. The list tells you what i require for the system.
I still there something similar here in uk if so hot
W to call the list they do for you ?
Can anyone tell me how’s it works in uk it seems to me the Vaillant w
Quality is totally different and quote poor.
It also seem that Vaillant doesn’t do the ecocompact boilers over here in uk.
The list which is attached is basically made with my details and system I am going to install. The list tells you what i require for the system.
I still there something similar here in uk if so hot
W to call the list they do for you ?
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They don't do that
Upto you to build and price your own system and they don't offer prices direct you have to go to one of your suppliers
Sounds like you have it made in Germany
Upto you to build and price your own system and they don't offer prices direct you have to go to one of your suppliers
Sounds like you have it made in Germany
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Sorry shauni,you also don’t get the point what I am after. I am not after a price list with prices but I am after that someone gives me a product list of what Vaillant is producing so I am able to design it myself with Vaillant products only.
You are right the list is made in Germany and all products you see is especially for the job I am abou to do. It took us couple of minutes to design the system. Vaillant in uk should be able to have this Programm too. My mate just clicks through a program based on my details and gives me the right system with a hydraulic plan and all components required.
I did not know it’s so complicate and different then in Germany.
However, I am going back to watch football
Thanks
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Like what divcons llh controls etc look on there website
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Sorry but don’t understand you
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what are you looking from vaillant a whole product list of what they make
if so contact your uk rep and ask for a catalogue of there boilers and controls
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That’s kind of stuff I am looking for. If you see my hydraulic plan and the list above you can see everything is done froma mate who works at Vaillant. They design the system with their products within minutes based on your details you give. But thank you shauni I will call them tomorrow to ask for the catalogue
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Yes that’s the stuff I am looking for but from Vaillant. I will try to arrange an appointment with them. Perhaps the rep or designer will come out to access the job
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They won't asses the job you will need to do that and build a hydronic plan and go to your supplier eg city plumbing plumb centre etc to get prices
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So they won’t create such a hydraulic plan?
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No that's for us heating engys to do
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Shaun's right there. Heating Engineers job over here. Unless you want to pay someone else to do it but I don't know why anyone would.
The closest you'll get from Vaillant to the kind of help you're looking for is to contact the 'commercial' rep for the type of job you're looking at there. You'll still need to have all the fact and figures but they will help you with the material list if you need it.
The closest you'll get from Vaillant to the kind of help you're looking for is to contact the 'commercial' rep for the type of job you're looking at there. You'll still need to have all the fact and figures but they will help you with the material list if you need it.
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Thing is it's not a commercial system/ size so he might get arsey with you also will tell you to phone the domestic side up
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That is very true. Depends on the rep.
All the info is in that Commercial catalogue I told you to get hold of anyway. We have always specified our own work whatever the size.
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Hey last,
I appreciate the opinions and advise I got from you and Shaun. I already got the catalogue for commercial but it’s more commercial boilers etc... it will not suit the system I am thinking off. It is first of all too big and second,y I wouldn’t be able to install it anyway.
They will get back to me tomorrow regarding my design and figures. One of the designer from Vaillant will contact me so I am hoping to get the right answer if not I am going to design it myself and have to choose the parts Online. I would have thought it is very similar like in Germany but it doesn’t seem like it
but I will definitely get the right flue you were recommending to me. I will also keep you updated with the installation which I will do in the next two weeks. I thank you and all the other people for now, it is definitely much appreciated from my site
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If I install vaillany ecoTec 637 system boiler it will use 4.0m3/h is that correct t ? So if I have g4 meter which is capable of 6m3/h do you think by having a gas hob it won’t be enough and dangerous ?
I guess the best bet is to calculate the heat loss again and check how many kw I will need for the property is that the way forward ? Does this sound ok if not how would you do it and determine which boiler you require ?
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Correct heat loss the property where there are rads also take into account what the ufh has been rated at has it been designed correctly
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Hey last,
I appreciate the opinions and advise I got from you and Shaun. I already got the catalogue for commercial but it’s more commercial boilers etc... it will not suit the system I am thinking off. It is first of all too big and second,y I wouldn’t be able to install it anyway.
They will get back to me tomorrow regarding my design and figures. One of the designer from Vaillant will contact me so I am hoping to get the right answer if not I am going to design it myself and have to choose the parts Online. I would have thought it is very similar like in Germany but it doesn’t seem like it
I thank you and all the other people for now, it is definitely much appreciated from my site
How can you install it also price it when you haven't decided/ designed the kit that you need also how have you given them a price ?
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I cannot tell you if the ufh is designed properly. It’s not cheap to lift oak wood
I am hoping that people haven’t used 6mm ply,on top of it 18mm and then 16-18mm oak wood. If that’s the case they can what ages for their heat. I do not even know what has been used as ufh , what Typ of insulation or method.
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I haven’t priced it yet but will do this week. I will design the system myself if they do not have such list. It ain’t hard .. I just wanted to use Vaillant products only. Don’t you worry the system will be up and running in 3/4weeks time.
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I cannot tell you if the ufh is designed properly. It’s not cheap to lift oak wood
They should have a design/ spec for it will tell you the kw required
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If they had they would have showed me the design. I asked many times when I was there but they do not have a design. When they refurbished the property they have been overseas and that’s perhaps the reason why they don’t have it. They only thing I could see last time was they have got 6mm ply,then 18mm, and on top of it about 16-18mm oak wood. But cannot see the rest of it.
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IF you know the make you could try and ring the manufacturer up and ask if they did the designs ?
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That’s a good idea.
I spoke to the Vaillant designer and they gave me a similar spec I already done in Germany. I just need to get the zone valves and lever valves from a different company.
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Div cons yes they do but you can go third party like in my links
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I would like o ha e hat from Vaillant. Have you got any link by any chance ?
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Will check later
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Here @ShaunCorbs thats the ufh informations i got this morning.
the underfloor heating is as follows:
> 18mm plywood sub-base to floor
> Wooden floor is stuck onto this sub-base with glue; heating pipes are underneath
> Floor itself is engineered and 20mm thick, suitable for underfloor heating (see below)
- 25m2 in master bedroom
- 33m2 in living room/Preeti’s study
- 50m2 in kitchen/conservatory
> Exchanger is Heatmiser
> Underfloor heating pipes are German, but not sure which system
Why would Simonen use ufh 40mm thick ? I also don’t know how much space is in between the pipes and wooden floor and what kind of insulation has been installed and how.
the underfloor heating is as follows:
> 18mm plywood sub-base to floor
> Wooden floor is stuck onto this sub-base with glue; heating pipes are underneath
> Floor itself is engineered and 20mm thick, suitable for underfloor heating (see below)
- 25m2 in master bedroom
- 33m2 in living room/Preeti’s study
- 50m2 in kitchen/conservatory
> Exchanger is Heatmiser
> Underfloor heating pipes are German, but not sure which system
Why would Simonen use ufh 40mm thick ? I also don’t know how much space is in between the pipes and wooden floor and what kind of insulation has been installed and how.
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You need really kw rating of each system
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