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Discuss Info for people considering fast tracking at UK Plumbers Forums; when i was at college, there were about 3 40+ guys in my class. They managed to get apprenticeships, and I know alot of other people that did also. My ...
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    when i was at college, there were about 3 40+ guys in my class. They managed to get apprenticeships, and I know alot of other people that did also. My point when posting this was these courses are making it out that we earn millions when we dont, and pointing out that to an employer you are not in any way attractive unless you have NVQ level 2 at least in england or SVQ level 3 in scotland, then its all about experience the more experience you have the more chance you have of getting a job.

    The point is these courses are promising lies, and false hope. I accept that there are a minority who go on to become sucsesful but most give up and cut their loses and go back to their old jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutchey View Post
    why are there so many negative comments?
    Does learning this from a young age at college or Uni etc mean its better than distance learning?

    I'm a Project Manager and was laid off last year when BSF was axed. Next to nothing since. No money equals no projects equals no jobs.
    Back in the good days the money was great but with up to 6hrs travelling per day it takes its toll.
    Now i'm not saying its rosey here or there but if a late 30's guy like me wants to retrain whilst trying to pay bills, what other choices do we have?
    Too old for college, too old for apprenticeships (if there are any of these left).
    So the only avenue is something like this.
    For me it's about quality of life, less of a commute and frankly i've had enough of projects inefficiencies, wasting money, failed deliveries, changing politics etc that cause so much aggro each day.
    I suspect plumbing also has its down sides but id like to be the one to find out.
    I'd like to work for someone. I've been self employed for years and it has good and bad points.

    I'm only part of my way through one of these courses and i'm finding it flexible to allow me to try to find soem work to pay the bills whilst i learn.
    I've been very fortunate that a plumber allowed me to help him with a load of new pipe work installation.
    He showed me the very basics and allowed me to solder, bend, install radiators, help drain the system and also threw some questions at me on some topics.

    So come on folk, its not our fault we chose this path, maybe we think the grass is greener but let us try to find out.
    For one i'd be losing masses financially but then its not as important for me now as my priorities have changed.

    no offence to anyone, just my thoughts at this early stage.
    Hi Hutchey,

    I'm new to this myself. I am thinking about starting the new 6189 course and also have a plumber willing to help me through it with the onsite visits from the NVQ assessors. As you have experienced the courses would you advise this route being 35 and wanting to change jobs into plumbing. Nice to see someone not been so negative about it all.

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    you are confusing negative with realistic. I can be as positive as you like many sales people i mean centre advisors will be positive. Just pay them the money and they will be very positive, i garantee it

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    were not being negative we are being realistic, the amount of people i know with experience that arent working the now is unreal, if they cant get a job then how do you expect to get one with your 6129 or whatever its called ?

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    there's mass unemployment accross the board. Some builders, electricians and plumbers i know have weeks of work stacked up - other have very little if any.
    All i want is the chance to at least try something different. Either way right now i have nothing to lose as no work is no work!
    Nowhere is taking on apprentices and colleges told me i was too old so what can you do.
    I'm not sure if i'd recommend it or not as not being on this long at all. Only 9 modules in and on the Water Regs bit now.
    Right now, for me this feels like the good thing to do.

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    the nvq bit is worth checking up on though. not just the 61?? bit.

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    the NVQ is essential if you want to be classed as a plumber, you wont be recognised as one without it, i.e CSCS cards CIPHE membership etc

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    It's amazing people are still forking out big ££££ for courses that leave them high and dry. It's down to you to research the career you are looking into. How thick do you have to be to go into something where it costs you a fortune to be not qualified and there is barely a lick of work about?

    The eyes see only what the mind wants. The suckers who are lured into parting with cash for these courses deserve everything they get.

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    i think that's a very narrow minded view Gavin
    If you were looking at getting into my line of work, you'd be looking at retraining and having to beg for work, pay extortionate amounts for some courses (some are cheapish), spending ages trawling through manuals and doing practicals (in some cases too)

    with this type of attitude no wonder this country gets a bad reputation with its workforce.

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    I can't believe it took them cihpe that long to put this info on their website, even last year if you went on it it said itself there were a shortage of plumbers...crazy... I mean I did fasttrack back in the day and I only pull in £1100 a week ...never mind this crazy £1200 a week nonesense

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    I think i have posted this link before but here it is again
    http://www.snijib.org/documents/Poli...00909final.pdf

    and another quote
    TRAINING SCHOOLS ROBBING STUDENTS
    Industry unites against ‘rogue trainers’


    Training schools which offer qualifications and then fail to deliver are costing students thousands of pounds, says the Plumbing and Heating Industry Alliance (PHIA). The Alliance, which represents some 20-trade bodies with over 30,000 members in the UK, is campaigning to put an end to what it calls ‘rogue trainers’. PHIA chairman, Chris Sneath says, “There’s a crazy situation where anyone can set themselves up as a training school and claim to teach someone to be a qualified plumber in as little as four weeks. Needless to say, these get rich quick merchants charge a fortune - I’ve heard of as much as £5000 - but the would-be plumbers parting with their money end up with virtually nothing, certainly not the means to start a legitimate career in our industry. It’s nothing short of daylight robbery.”


    The industry’s accepted qualification for a plumber is National or Scottish Vocational Qualification (NVQ or SVQ) at Level 3. Typically this takes a minimum of two to three years training on the job, combined with study at a recognised training provider – such as college of further education. Chris Sneath again: “The entire plumbing and heating industry recognises the NVQ at level 3, a completed formal apprenticeship or appropriate experience over many years as the minimum for a legitimate plumber. Un-regulated trainers will often turn out cowboy plumbers, with all the risks to public health that entails. But sad to say, the government doesn’t want to know. I’ve personally spoken to government representatives but their attitude is to claim they don’t want to interfere in what they call ‘free market practice”.


    The Plumbing & Heating Industry Alliance is asking the media to support its campaign by refusing advertising from these rogue trainers. “We often see adverts for them contained in newspaper career supplements,” says Chris Sneath. “We do realise that it’s not always easy to instantly recognise the good from the bad but we at the Alliance are very happy to offer advice.” The PHIA hopes that its campaign will help to eradicate what has become a problem across the country, with countless thousands of pounds being lost by innocent people seeking a career in our industry.


    The Plumbing & Heating Industry Alliance includes:


    • The Institute of Plumbing and Heating Engineering (IPHE)
    • The Heating and Ventilating Contractors Association (HVCA)
    • The Association of Plumbing and Heating Contractors (APHC)
    • SummitSkills (The Sector Skills Council for the Industry)
    • The Worshipful Company of Plumbers
    • The Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers Federation (SNIPEF)
    • The Joint Industry Board for Plumbing and Mechanical
      Engineering Services in England and Wales
    • British Plumbing Employers Council Training Ltd (BPEC)
    • The Institute of Domestic Heating and Environmental Engineers (IDHE)
    • National Association of Plumbing Teachers (NAPT)
    • The Bathroom Manufacturers Association (BMA)

    You may think these people and organisations just like to shout at the moon and would like the industry to be a closed shop but that is not the case.

    I think Puddle put it across excellently in his analogy
    Quote Originally Posted by puddle View Post
    I always say to people, think about the hobby you have, look how long it took to be good at it and that is something you are probably really interesting in, remember the books you read on it in the beginning and the hours you listened to others with experience ,then think how long it took you to put it all into practice, to learn the little tricks and mistakes you still made, mistakes you have to make, to learn, you soon realise you can not learn any profession in such a short period

    Slowly the puddles become smaller but until they do you need an experienced person by your side showing you the best way to mop up

    £7000 is a lot of money but it can not mop up a lot

    imho
    Anyone thinking of doing one of these courses should think hard and realistically before spending their cash on what may turn out to be an expensive lesson in life.
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    great post tamz, looks like you need to be a member to read the second one though ..
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