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Discuss Want to be a plumber? at UK Plumbers Forums; The problem at the moment is not so much getting to be a Plumber/Gas Engineer but the cost of labour. The market at the moment seems terribly crowded and with ...
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    The problem at the moment is not so much getting to be a Plumber/Gas Engineer but the cost of labour. The market at the moment seems terribly crowded and with what seems a recession on the way, it would appear work would be set to become scarce indeed.

    The thing is of course this will probably affect wages and prices. I read an article that BG said they advertised 500 apprenticeships and got 65,000 applications. People still seem to be wanting to pile into the industry as they have been doing for a few years now.

    But if we are not careful prices and wage rates will drop so low it will hardly be worth going into the industry from an earnings point of view.

    Another reason people seem to be piling in, is that lets be honest there are not all that many alternatives trades available, we no long have many skilled shipyard or factory jobs on the scale we once had. So to get out of the National Minimum Wage trap, and at least earn a living wage whether working self employed or employed, people are going for the trades they can get into, such as electrician, carpenter, plumber, bricklayer, which of course is helped by the trainers wanting to sell courses so they can survive. Lets be honest you can easily get on a course to be any of the construction trades.

    It wasn't helped by somebody saying you can earn as much as perhaps 3 or 4 times the minimum wage working in this area either. If you where stuck on the minimum wage, wouldn't you have a go?

    The problem is we don't seem to have many other skilled jobs at this level left in the UK, so its only natural people will pile into it the few we do have. The other area skilled work we do have, seems to require a minimum of a university degree, so I suppose unless we can go to uni for a couple of years we can't apply for them. And if you have house to pay for and kids to keep how are you going to finance a uni course?

    What we really need are more skilled jobs, such as metal workers, mechanics, engineers, welders and so on. We will probably only get that though, when the cash people realise you can earn just as much investing in industry than you can in stocks and shares and banks. Lets be honest stocks and shares and bank cash can vanish overnight as seems to have been adequately demonstrated by the financial crisis.

    I remember vast industrial estates full of working factories, with all kinds of jobs. They seem to have mostly all gone and the factory and skilled jobs they had paying a living wage with them.

    I doubt though, the system is going to change that quick, so I suppose we had better get accustomed to much lower wages and prices as competition for work gets hotter and hotter.

    And don't forget governments perhaps like it like that, and so do the public, it keeps inflation down and its the way markets work.

    But lets hope it keeps wages and prices fair, and doesn't lead to wholesale company closures and job losses in the industry.
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    good post, i dont think there will be wholesale redundnacies but there are alot of newly qualified cannot get work unless for their selves. look at other posts, people working for free bathrooms fitted and supplied for less than £300. thats the current situation for alot of plumbers. not much work and the work thats there is at a cut price and posters having to work for nothing just to get experience!!!!!!!!!!1

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    i wish people would wake up are they all zombies or what
    no body does a search and then post
    i want to be a plumber/i want to be a gas engineer how long after my 12 weeks training will i be on 30000 a year
    whats the quickest way to get my acs with minimal amount of hands on experience i need to earn 30000 quickly to pay my mortgage
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    i cant get a job with any companies and cant afford to be self employed
    i have paid thousands and now ime broke
    i thought i would be minted by now
    why didnt anyone sit me down and explain i thought i only needed to do a 12 week course and i would be snowed under with work
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    great post squirrel i thought i would add my experience.

    i became a plumber because i like the hands on side and also it is very technical. firstly i think if you go into a career hearing there's loads of money to be earned isn't it a case if it sounds to good to be true it generally is. that said it is possible to earn £40,000 a year but you can't do it from day one, also you will never earn this changing taps and the odd leaking washer etc(only from my experience).
    To earn good money these days it is simply not enough to be a good plumber you have to be a good business man and be very good in the art of customer service. you won't won't earn a lot when you first start because no one knows you exist, you have to advertise i would say a good colour add in the yellow pages is a must and start from there( i incidentally spend over £7,000 a year advertising)even though i do get a lot repeat custom. there are loads of other things you can do which don't cost the earth. learn other skills too i can tile and plaster to an excellent standard and because of that i get loads of bathroom jobs because customers don't have to get multiple tradesmen in. yes it does get lonely my answer buy a DAB radio/ cd player. tune into something like radio 5 and give your opinion to the numpties who phone in and radio 1/2 for a good sing song , it works for me. after 3 1/2 years i have finally got gas safe registered and life as a plumber is good i have plenty of work even in these hard times but it's not because i've been lucky it's because like any other business you have to work at it all the time.

    hope this helps
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    earning potential can be 100k a year if you work the hours. what is the profit though?? people dont realise there can be quite a difference

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    Evening all,

    Some terrific advice and comments here which I'm soaking up, being currently a 46 year old civil servant staring redundancy in the face next month. I've done a few small bits and piece around my own home and haven't flooded it out so far! Keen on getting into the renewable side of things and am looking to start training in November, doing the necessary C&G and then the NVQ. Is it realistic does anyone think for a bloke my age to effectively be start again? I'm not naive enough to think this time next year I'll be raking in £50K+ but I'd like to think I could make a go of plumbing
    Grateful for any more advice anyone may be able to send my way.
    Many thanks.


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    Trouble with renewables for the self employed is the MSC creditation scheme or whatever it is. It's a fairly major obstacle. There's another post on this floating about somewhere round here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grovesy1000 View Post
    Evening all,

    Some terrific advice and comments here which I'm soaking up, being currently a 46 year old civil servant staring redundancy in the face next month. I've done a few small bits and piece around my own home and haven't flooded it out so far! Keen on getting into the renewable side of things and am looking to start training in November, doing the necessary C&G and then the NVQ. Is it realistic does anyone think for a bloke my age to effectively be start again? I'm not naive enough to think this time next year I'll be raking in £50K+ but I'd like to think I could make a go of plumbing
    Grateful for any more advice anyone may be able to send my way.
    Many thanks.


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    doubt you will be able to achieve the nvq without employment as it is due to be phased out. check forums.
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    not possible to get an nvq or new version without employment

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    Default Re: Want to be a plumber?

    hello,
    i have a few question.

    did you go working on your own straight after completing the fast track course?
    how long was the fast track course?
    did you get much work after completing it?
    would you advice doing the fasttrack course?

    thanks alot ryan

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    i didnt do a fastrack mate, maybe somebody can help you here, plenty of posts on the same thing

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    I've not completed the training yet - first bit is due to take 2 months but that won't be the end of it. Not sure of the rules, if any, on working on your own with just the C&G and no NVQ.
    I don't know if setting up on your own and doing pieces of work can count towards evidence of competency or if you have to actually be employed by a firm. I'm guessing, and it is only a guess, you can provide any evidence of competency in order to gain the NVQ regardless of who you've done it for or who commissioned it.
    More experienced guys on here will hopefully be albe to comfirm one way or the other.

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