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Discuss notice gas safety related advice at UK Plumbers Forums; Originally Posted by combo If Joe bloggs Diy'er extends a flue pipe, or removes a boiler cover etc...they don't see that as being wrong. I was sat in the pub ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by combo View Post
    If Joe bloggs Diy'er extends a flue pipe, or removes a boiler cover etc...they don't see that as being wrong. I was sat in the pub a while back and someone asked me about the price to fit a cooker, I told them, you have to TT, check clearances, gas rates etc but I was universally shot down by a few ppl round the table '' Oh, you don't need to do all that, ppl have fitted them for years'' . Same on LSC's, I'd notify ppl of NCS and they'd just laugh the stuff off '' It's been like that for years''. The whole image of the industry needs changing and the regs need simplifying too, there's too much confusion.
    Its true to the point that GSR fitters even ignore gas rates, I have seen countless cookers fitted and the only test carried out is (does the pizo work and does the gas light) the odd fitter does a proper purge most just click till it lights.
    As for boilers its the same they write down the generic gas rates in the benchmark and off they trot, still I am waiting to see a flue gas analyser used, and before you ask yes these guys are fully qualified and on the gas safe register and there are plenty more working on it who have no idea about the gas safe regs/rates etc day in day out, same for many trades people know its easy to fit a boiler and if they make a mistake the boiler will not fire in this scenario they call out the pros, we fix it (with the false knowledge they had a friend of a friend do it) and away they go.
    Maybe boilers should have a slot for your GS card , personally I think only GSR people should be able to buy gas fittings/appliances, we would all benefit from the extra work created, it would basically stop all unsafe gas works, and retailers would not miss out whatsoever the same amount of stuff needs to be fitted just this way by the correct people, its a no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumbers Elbow View Post
    personally I think only GSR people should be able to buy gas fittings/appliances, we would all benefit from the extra work created, it would basically stop all unsafe gas works, and retailers would not miss out whatsoever the same amount of stuff needs to be fitted just this way by the correct people, its a no brainer.
    This comes up regularly, and I won't bore forum regulars with all the reasons that it would a) be completely impractical and b) not achieve what it set out to achieve. The PURCHASE isn't the problem. Its the installation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Plumbers Elbow View Post
    Maybe boilers should have a slot for your GS card
    This, on the other hand, may be genius. A chip in your GS card and a slot on the boiler PCB. Boiler comes out of the box in "precommissioning mode" - ie it won't do anything until commissioned with a card in the slot. Then two sets of fault detection. Low pressure? No problem, thats a user code. Allow boiler to restart once re-pressurised. Gas valve fail? Oops, thats a GSR code and boiler reverts to "precommissioning mode" until attended by a professional to put their card in the slot.
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    Hmmmmm....... That would then lock the installer to that boiler which would then mean if he's one of the unscrupulous ones who considers having an fga in the same room as the appliance to be a successful test, then he'd never get caught out, his work rectified and then there's a fatality.

    Going on from this though how long will it be before domestic boilers are monitoring their own poc's and adjusting themselves accordingly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by croppie View Post
    Hmmmmm....... That would then lock the installer to that boiler which would then mean if he's one of the unscrupulous ones who considers having an fga in the same room as the appliance to be a successful test, then he'd never get caught out, his work rectified and then there's a fatality.

    Going on from this though how long will it be before domestic boilers are monitoring their own poc's and adjusting themselves accordingly?
    Thats very possible but would have to be a secondary and even a third stage failure because of the nature of thow beast but you could be onto to somethin there croppie, and not only that all readings will be sent to main hub like a smart meter telling customer of any changes in combustion notifying of a problem,
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    Quote Originally Posted by croppie View Post
    Hmmmmm....... That would then lock the installer to that boiler which would then mean if he's one of the unscrupulous ones who considers having an fga in the same room as the appliance to be a successful test, then he'd never get caught out, his work rectified and then there's a fatality.

    Going on from this though how long will it be before domestic boilers are monitoring their own poc's and adjusting themselves accordingly?
    Fine till you have to send it off for calibration. Every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by croppie View Post
    Hmmmmm....... That would then lock the installer to that boiler
    Not necessarily. It could accept any GSR card that was coded with the relevant appliance.

    It might also keep a record of what cards had been inserted and when, so there would be no question about who last worked on an appliance. The more I think about it, the more I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Stafford View Post
    Not necessarily. It could accept any GSR card that was coded with the relevant appliance.

    It might also keep a record of what cards had been inserted and when, so there would be no question about who last worked on an appliance. The more I think about it, the more I like it.
    Basically means a phone line needs to be installed. That or it be fitted with a SIM.

    Which, if you're out of range, renders you with a boiler you can't fire up and commission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by croppie View Post
    Basically means a phone line needs to be installed. That or it be fitted with a SIM.

    Which, if you're out of range, renders you with a boiler you can't fire up and commission.
    Not at all.

    Imagine your GS card has a chip in it, which encodes your name, number and what appliance types you are covered for.

    You go to a domestic gas boiler, whos PCB has a dock for your card. You shove your card in, and it agrees that you are ok to work on this appliance. If your card said that you were only ok for gas hobs, then it would just sit there and sulk. No reason for external comms.

    If there was ever a serious problem, a Gas safe investigator would attend, and put his "boss card" into the slot, which would then tell him the id numbers of the last 5 engineer cards in the slot.

    Simples!
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    The issue is we get new numbers each year. Plus new businesses start up and others close down. For your idea to be effective the system needs to be live or anyone with an expired card can get the boiler firing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by croppie View Post
    The issue is we get new numbers each year. Plus new businesses start up and others close down. For your idea to be effective the system needs to be live or anyone with an expired card can get the boiler firing.
    Unless I am missing something, I don't see why!

    Your card can have dates encoded. The appliance can have dates encoded. If my debit card expires, I can't withdraw cash. Why should we not use the same tech?
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    As it happens, WB are in the process of designing their new generation boilers to be fitted with smart intelligent software that after the boiler is fitted, it's performance will be remotely measured from Head Office. In effect, if say the pump, fan, gas valve etc started to show the slightest signs of failure, a WB engineer from their team nearest to the property and having the part in van will be sent to knock on Mrs Smith's door and inform her that they have come to change her fan in boiler.

    Imagine the look on her face?
    Mrs Smith: ''You've come to do what?'' Then shouts at boyfriend to come downstairs. ''Jim, get down here. There is an idiot here claiming he needs to change the fan on our boiler? Did you report the boiler as not working? I can here it working as we speak?''
    WB Engineer@ Errrhhh madame, your boiler is fitted with an intelligent monitoring software. It is proactive and tells us when something is about to go wrong. That way we can address it and keep you going without the need for any problems''

    Happy days. At this rate, the small guys will soon be out of business. As if sending their agents round to do the annual service, thus depriving us of income is not bad enough.

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    Thank Worcester for that!

    BG tried something along those lines years ago with the classic. It died a quick and extremely sharp death however that was pre broadband days

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