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    Before getting your knickers in a twist have a read of your first post. Nowhere do you mention that you are commercial Gas Safe. If you had put all of the facts in it wouldn't have got people so agitated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca2009 View Post
    Thank you to all you people who actually gave some sensible advice. By the way I am a qualified plumbing and heating engineer and I do have commercial gas safe qualification. So for all you bigot's who moan about me like a 'have a go DIYer' knock yourself down a peg or two will you. I have currently started working for myself and wanted to know where I stood on fixing boilers and how far I can go with them. I know I can't touch gas and I don't fix anything I'm not competent with. I have actulay phoned Gas Safe and asked them and I have been told I can work on PCB's and fans, just not gas pipes and valves. I'm going to get this verified agian to make sure. But that was all I was after, and not to be moaned at by the dinosaurs on here.

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    chech GSR website for the TB's there was one which caused a stooshie when it came out as it clarified who could do what inside gas appliances and it clearly stated that electrical components inside the boiler could be changed by a spark as long as no part of the gas train was worked on, so the question was asked what about boiler pcbs that had potentiometers on them to set gas pressure, the question got a blank, not sure if it has been superceded by now as it was a while ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by adam84 View Post
    In technical terms to work on a fan, pump or pcb you would have to take the cover of the boiler and that is classed as being gas work. If you have commercial gas qualifications enrol at your local technical college to do the change over course from commercial COCN1 to CCN1 Domestic and the CEN1 qualification then you can register with gas safe legally, what you have to remember is that the gas industry is a legal mine field so it is better to pay a few hundered £ than risk a fine of thousands. Just my 2c.
    pcb's and fans are inside the white decorative cover not the combustion box in some boilers
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    Default Re: Can you work on a boiler if your not Gas Safe?

    You already know you have to be gsr as you have now said you have a com ticket

    Quote Originally Posted by Macca2009 View Post
    Hope someone can clarify this one for me.

    I want to know where I stand on fixing domestic boilers.

    I don't have domestic Gas Safe qualifications. Can I still work on boilers? in this I mean like replacing parts on them like PCB's and fans ect. I don't and never will touch anything gas, ie gas valves and pipework. Where do i stand on doing the other stuff? Am I allowed to so long as I know what I'm doing and competent?

    Is anyone else in this situation and what are the boundaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenno1 View Post
    you cannot work on any gas appliance even in your own home without gsr qualifications because a gas explosion in your property puts other people and properties at risk
    you need to read the guidence notes that come with the gas regs, as quoted earlier in this thread, you MUST be competant, not registered or have paper qualifications

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    what if you have to undo screws to take the case off ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanger View Post
    Fair comment kay-jay, and there are few that would disagree with your statement.

    But, I hope you will share in my questioning of some of your beliefs:

    Right and wrong, pertains to moral law, and things are usually judged right or wrong by the consensus of the majority, in a democracy - so in order to judge right or wrong, we would have to be represented in some way, by those who make the decisions - who represents the gas installer? and do we trust them to make 'right' decisions on our behalf.

    For example, licence to practice brings about better workmanship - corgi annaual report 2007, documented significant numbers of NCS, AR, and some immediately dangerous installations, on work which had been notified as 'competent' through the gas work notification scheme.

    But, what about the notion of competence? can it be measured accurately using the multiple choice questions and simulated environments that are nothing like real work? Does an assessment taken in college, give an accurate measure of competence or competency in relation to the occupational role of a plumber or gas installer - would you bet your house on it?

    So how can we be assured that the system is valid, reliable and rigorous? Who can assure us?

    i should have been clearer in my post, when i mentioned the right way and the wrong way i didn't mean swapping parts and testing (although there is a case for this)rather i was alluding to being registered and being legal, and demonstrating the required competence through the acs.

    but at the end of the day if joe bloggs blows up a house, is he not responsible irrespective of whether he is gsr or not??
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    I would just like to say that the level of knowledge and professionalism on this forum is extremely high, i have been involved in a similar thread on the ultimate handy man forum and the general feeling on that forum is that home owners can still work on gas appliances/fittings in their own properties for no fee, i have tried in vain to explain that is no longer the case, with elements of the general public still believing this to be the case Gas Safe need step up their efforts to educate people about gas safety and the law regarding gas work i feel that as professionals of the trade gas safe expects us to pay our fees and do their job aswell with regards to education.

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    i suppose thats why this is called ukplumbersforum and not ultimate handy man?.lol.

    i also wouldnt think it to hard for gas safe to step in on these forums and deliver a be-all-end-all response to the questions asked by a simple 'yes' or 'no', i mean, its not exactly sticking their necks out is it?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kay-jay View Post
    rather i was alluding to being registered and being legal, and demonstrating the required competence through the acs
    kay-jay, my response to your post was a bit confusing.

    The point I wished to make, was that ACS assessment is not a reliable test of competence.

    But, we just bow our heads and accept it. We might think that GSR leads to more work and better professional status - it doesn't. We will reflect on the first two decades of the 21st century as 'the great train-ing robbery'. With no one to represent our interests, the self employed are exposed to as much tax, as the CO lobby, HSE, GSR, Government etc, want to load on us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanger View Post
    kay-jay, my response to your post was a bit confusing.

    The point I wished to make, was that ACS assessment is not a reliable test of competence.

    But, we just bow our heads and accept it. We might think that GSR leads to more work and better professional status - it doesn't. We will reflect on the first two decades of the 21st century as 'the great train-ing robbery'. With no one to represent our interests, the self employed are exposed to as much tax, as the CO lobby, HSE, GSR, Government etc, want to load on us.
    i agree with you. but just because the acs isn't a fully reliable competence standard and gas safe is all take and no give, would you be prepared to fly in the face of legislation and complete gasworks without registration and therefore illegally? i know i wouldn't.

    which is the point i was trying to make about 'the right way' in my first post.

    all confusion aside it appears we agree on the salient points
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