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Discuss External condensate pipe refused permission - help! at UK Plumbers Forums; Hi there, The 21 year old boiler (Worcester Bosch 350) has failed in my first floor, small one bedroom flat which has concrete floors throughout. My existing boiler is in ...
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    Hi there,

    The 21 year old boiler (Worcester Bosch 350) has failed in my first floor, small one bedroom flat which has concrete floors throughout. My existing boiler is in a cupboard at the back of my lounge next to an outside wall. The flow and return pipes come out here too (I think they run under the concrete floor).

    I have been told that I need to install a new Condensing Combi boiler and the installer has recommended that I have a 1 and a quarter inch white (to blend in with the colour of the building) condensate pipe installed vertically to run out into a drainage channel at ground level.

    The owner of the flat below is a Director of the Management Committee together with one other Director.
    They have refused me permission to have the condensate pipe fitted externally.

    This is their reply:

    "The proposed pipe is far too obtrusive given the size and position and we can’t approve it.



    Any internal installation must be completely inaudible from outside the flat."

    Is this reasonable? Is it even possible for me the have a 'completely inaudible from outside the flat' pump installed? Won't there be occasional noise from the pump audible in the flat below - that is, in the Director's own flat??

    Any advice appreciated. Thanks!


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    Welcome to the forum munchkin.

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    Thanks, I appreciate it. A Worcester Bosch installer is going to fit the new boiler for me, and has assured me that noise shouldn't be an issue. (He doesn't know my downstairs neighbour though - lol!)

    Wish me luck.

    Any issues with these pumps, then please let me know. Thanks.

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    Their refusal to have 32mm pipe down external wall is justifiable.However, stating any internal installation must be COMPLETELY inaudible outside flat is not. The judgement in this case is what a reasonable person would deem acceptable. If your neighbour,Director,has particularly acute hearing and complains, suggest he takes up the matter with Environmental Health and be guided by their advise. The rights of all parties need to be balanced, including your right to heat home with a mandatory condensing boiler.
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    Thanks, Joni. You have phrased your answer brilliantly!!! I think I might just email most of what you've written directly through to the management company to cover myself in case of any complaints further down the line.

    That's great advice, and hugely appreciated!

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    Keep it as a response to any complaint after boiler installed. Just acknowledge their letter and state the boiler will be installed in accordance with manufactures instructions. If they object to that it further demonstrates unreasonable attitude and strengthens your case. Keep us updated.
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    How many flats in the block?
    Has anyone else got a condensate pipe down the wall, including the flat below?

    Has anyone else got a condensing boiler emitting "Obtrusive" condensation?
    This is going to be an issue for most of the flats I would guess.

    Where is the bathroom / kitchen / waste pipe soil stack in relation to the boiler?

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    Yeah some piccies would be useful. Does the condense pipe 100% have to run externally
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    Don't know the answers to the first part (I rent the flat out but think I need to go over and have a closer look). My flat is one of two x one bedroom flats in the development. The other flats have either got balconies (with drains) or gardens.

    The bathroom/kitchen/waste pipe soil stacks are at the opposite end of the flat. So the boiler is on the window wall at the back of my lounge. The kitchen is at the front of the lounge, and the bathroom is to the left of the kitchen down a small (tiny) hallway.

    Doesn't leave me many options.

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    How many flats in the block?
    Has anyone else got a condensate pipe down the wall, including the flat below?

    Has anyone else got a condensing boiler emitting "Obtrusive" condensation?
    This is going to be an issue for most of the flats I would guess.

    Where is the bathroom / kitchen / waste pipe soil stack in relation to the boiler?

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    External condensate pipe refused permission - help!-lounge.jpgThanks, Riley. Here's a picture of my first floor one bed flat showing the existing flue. My boiler is behind there in a cupboard at the back corner of my lounge. The first two windows are bedroom. Bathroom is at through a wall from the bedroom. The kitchen is at the front of my lounge and there is a tiny hallway separating my lounge from the bathroom. (So hard to describe.)

    There's a big bush type thing where the pipe would be going so most would be obscured. Anyway, even though the Worcester Bosch guy agreed that the external pipe would be the best solution, he said he could run a condensate pipe along the skirting boards in the bedroom and this will come out in the bathroom somehow. (Haven't quite got my head around it.)

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