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    nice set of instructions for all to understand, youll be snapped up by a college soon
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    Wasn't everyone against a diyer doing a wet room? Top job. Excellent pictures (excluding foot)
    my posts may appear blunt or sarcastic........ that's because they are!

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    Wasn't everyone against a diyer doing a wet room? Top job. Excellent pictures (excluding foot)
    Excellent - well written and easily understood.

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    A level sub-floor is essential to ensure that the small amount of water that goes through the grout onto the waterproofing sits there till it evaporates. You don't want it running out the door!
    Assuming some water does get through the grout, isnít this the start of the problems that will no doubt follow? Any water that manages to get through will sit between a tile and membrane sandwich and evaporation will be virtually nil due to there being no air. Is it not possible to seal the grout so zero water passes through?

    Quote Originally Posted by cr0ft View Post
    Here's what it should look like when you are done: -
    Shame the picture isnít viewable - I guess this is a technical issue with the site rather than anything youíve done.
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    A laser level is a brilliant investment here if you will be doing more than one room.
    Some of these laser levels can be many hundreds of ££ís, and some as little as a tenner
    Do you have any preferences for a decent level?

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    These spacers are fantastic too by the way. The only spacers I have used that are exactly the same thickness from one to the other. I have tried Rubi spacers, Topps Tiles one, the lot. If anyone wants to know where to get hold of them, drop me a PM.
    What the name of the spacers? Again, itís a shame the picture isnít visible. (Mods Ė is there nothing you can do?)

    I see you have used an Impey Aquadec wetroom tray - is this tray flat i.e. with no fall to the drain hole? (Ďscuse my ignorance but I have never fitted a level access tray before and I might be asking the bleedin obvious!) I guess it has to be given the concentric nature of the drain? Because itís offset, a fall wouldnít be possible - is that correct?
    If thatís the case, the only thing that is going to stop the water from spilling over the entire floor is a shower screen. If the floor is absolutely horizontal prior to tiling (as it should be) and the tiles are laid in without a fall i.e they are horizontal as well, whatís to stop the water just spilling over the rest of the bathroom floor? Sure, thereís a drain hole for the water to go into but it wonít catch all of the water Ė some will inevitable spill out into the main bathroom floor. Is a fall to the drain hole not essential when laying the tiles?
    I reailise that the questions Iíve raised above might come across as being confrontational Ė but I can assure you Cr0ft that is not my intention. Iím a curious student and just want to have a good understanding of how to do the job properly before I start.
    Thanks for taking the time to post your thread in the first place. It really is much appreciated.

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    Hi. No problems asking questions, that is what this guide was about. In practise, you would ensure 100% tile adhesive coverage under the tiles by using back-buttering. It is the tile adhesive that will get wet. As this is a cement based adhesive, it dries not by evaporation but by chemical reaction. It dries pretty quickly to be honest. Sorry for not making this clear. I wanted the guide to have enough info to allow someone to install a wetroom but not too much info so as to bamboozle people.

    The proof it works is in our warranty callbacks. We offer all of our customers a full 2 year warranty on all bathrooms/wetrooms. We've never once been called out to one (touch wood). Given they are a high price tag item, we certainly would be if there was a problem!

    Sealing the grout will reduce the amount of water passing through of course, as well as retain the correct grout colour and keep it clean for longer.

    Not sure what is going on with the pictures, mods - any ideas? They seem to work fine for a couple of days after I post them then they disappear.

    Our company uses Stabila LAX50 Laser Levels. It's accurate enough for precise tiling and at £100 ish a shot, pretty cheap. It comes with a telescopic pole to allow you to quickly adjust the level from near the floor to near the ceiling. Very good bit of kit.

    The spacers are UniPlug Pro Spacers. They are quite expensive but are reusable. The only thing to make sure you do is to take them out as soon as the adhesive is dry. Leave them in too long and they are hard to get out!

    There is a fall bit in across the whole wetroom tray which is why you have to cut the tiles diagonally out from the drain, to match the fall of the tray. The tray I fitted had a very steep fall on the side closest to the drain and a much shallower fall on the other side.

    You have rightly noted that you need to maintain a fall across the entire wetroom floor to make sure that any water landing on the floor goes back to the drain quickly. Sorry if I didn't make this clear in the description. This is why you continue the diagonal cut lines across the whole floor. Essentially the floor is sloped back towards the drain on each of these floor sections.

    Hope this all makes sense!
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    Hi. No problems asking questions, that is what this guide was about. In practise, you would ensure 100% tile adhesive coverage under the tiles by using back-buttering. It is the tile adhesive that will get wet. As this is a cement based adhesive, it dries not by evaporation but by chemical reaction. It dries pretty quickly to be honest. Sorry for not making this clear. I wanted the guide to have enough info to allow someone to install a wetroom but not too much info so as to bamboozle people.

    The proof it works is in our warranty callbacks. We offer all of our customers a full 2 year warranty on all bathrooms/wetrooms. We've never once been called out to one (touch wood). Given they are a high price tag item, we certainly would be if there was a problem!

    Sealing the grout will reduce the amount of water passing through of course, as well as retain the correct grout colour and keep it clean for longer.

    Not sure what is going on with the pictures, mods - any ideas? They seem to work fine for a couple of days after I post them then they disappear.

    Our company uses Stabila LAX50 Laser Levels. It's accurate enough for precise tiling and at £100 ish a shot, pretty cheap. It comes with a telescopic pole to allow you to quickly adjust the level from near the floor to near the ceiling. Very good bit of kit.

    The spacers are UniPlug Pro Spacers. They are quite expensive but are reusable. The only thing to make sure you do is to take them out as soon as the adhesive is dry. Leave them in too long and they are hard to get out!

    There is a fall bit in across the whole wetroom tray which is why you have to cut the tiles diagonally out from the drain, to match the fall of the tray. The tray I fitted had a very steep fall on the side closest to the drain and a much shallower fall on the other side.

    You have rightly noted that you need to maintain a fall across the entire wetroom floor to make sure that any water landing on the floor goes back to the drain quickly. Sorry if I didn't make this clear in the description. This is why you continue the diagonal cut lines across the whole floor. Essentially the floor is sloped back towards the drain on each of these floor sections.

    Hope this all makes sense!
    Thanks for the extensive reply - much clearer now.

    Just one other thing - how do you ensure a fall to the drain hole? Are you just using thicker adhesive the further you are from the hole and tapering it off as you get closer to it?

    Edit: just re-read your earlier reply and it would seem there is a built in fall in the tray - is this correct? If there is it doesn't come across in the picture.
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    Hi. Yes and yes. As you are using a ready mixed adhesive you can layer it on thickly. To be honest I put it on the floor last thing at night first to get a rough gradient, let it dry overnight then finish off when laying the tiles. You don't need much of a fall for the water to run back quickly. Does the picture not show the fall? I think it's just the angle it's taken from. There is a pretty substantial fall on the left hand side of the tray as you look at the picture, which is why I needed the extra cut across the tiles as without it the edge of the tile would have been nearly 2 inches off the floor
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    You mentioned earlier a technique of back buttering, what is this? Sorry I am total novice when it comes to tilling

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    Spreading adhesive on the back of the tile before fixing.
    Maybe best sub a tiler in if your not sure.
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    I don't do tilling just trying to learn a bit as it's useful to know, when I do my own jobs I will sub a tiler

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    I've always wanted a wetroom, and now thanks to your guide, I think I shall put one in my new home. Thank you very much.

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    hi there either tank walls floors to get super duper seal improve tiling skills or change grout I always use Bal waterproof grout rec for swimming pools hope this helps mate

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